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If they kept the fluff write up but the 4e stream lined mechanic how would that work??

No like many protagonist he has 1 in a million stats

You said the barbarian in my example (that I gave no items to had +1 weapon over your build and later only +1D10. Now since I didn’t give any items and was useing d12 weapons still none of that makes sense

Since I have very rarely (in the last 25ish years I have been running maybe twice) seen 2 player both as the same class building for damage at a table. So I don’t get this at all. as I said uo thread if we were playing in my current game and removed the fighter I have (psi warrior play test)...

Because when you take the jargon out we are talking about optimizing damage and accuracy. Edit: In fact I will take this 1 step further... I am a DM that worries about Optimization but I don’t worry about feats. So I am your target audience. Tell me in plain English why I should worry about...

Also does not the rest of the party matter... If you have a ranged warlock and a rogue in the party the rogue would much rather a sword and board fighter to help him get sneak attacks... and that damage increase alone would be worth it.

What is +1 weapon means??? And +1d10??? The barabarian has advantage when ever he wants (or nullies disadvantage) so he is ceiling more often and even useing a d10 weapon for range the barbarian has th D12 weapon... Even better while your fighter is at range the barbarian is up close and...

If you don’t like talking general D&D you are in the wrong place... how does cross bow expert help on accuaracy or damage?

I forgot about bouncing lightning bolts...I miss that

I don’t know what cbe stands for maybe if you provided a glossary of abriviasions also I can find no chain feats at all in game no feat has a prerequisite of another feat... you were talking damage and accuracy so I talked damage and accuracy

If you compare it to a barbarian attacking with better str and advantage it seems the barbarian does more damage Longbow 16 dex sharp shooter. +2 1d8+13 Barbarian 18 str no feat advantage+6. 1d12+4

Yup. Take I even made a rogue subclass based off arcane trickester for it once

If I had my way no named (living) npcs in any setting would ever be above 9th level... Elminster can be a 7th level bard 2nd level warlock(chosen of Mystara) and still be a quest giver and sage

Am I alone in being glad I grew up when we did NOT all have cameras on us at all times, and nothing was posted on the protoweb

I think I can make a few adjustments Greyhawk is the original setting of D&D made by game co creator Gary Gygax, a sword and sorcery grim dieing world full of mercenaries mages and monsters... most of all the deadliest of dungeons. A world where no one is going to help you, no one is going to...

I have to say that has not been my experience at all... may I ask how many DMs you have seen do this???

I used to be a killer dm so trust me I get it

Wait one more... we carried over blooded from 4e (a condition when you are at half ho or less) and it confused him every time

Okay not as big... but I played from 2e through 5 e including platters periods... so a lot of changes where gradual. I had a player who had played 3e then went to pathfinder come back for 5e, and was pissed... he thought and said “why does shield suck now” and me and my other players could not...

To be honest I think a plot neutral hardcover book of grey hawk lore would sell... include a minor dungeon in the last chapter and a list of all the big names as npcs (like monster manual entries) with an entire page on history OUT of game of who played them and info on context as an appendix