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It wasn't an example meant to be used, as was clear from the context. I was simply showing that percentages don't mean a whole heck of a lot, because that was a 100% increase and the only way you could even begin to make it matter was to cherry pick something ultra weak for the PC to face.

Against a cherry picked CR 1/4 creature. Sure, but I don't see how you can overcome that it still only amounts to one extra hit every multiple combats and that most monsters that aren't cherry picked CR 1/4 are great bags of hit points, so the extra point of damage won't mean much. Unlike you...

Yeaaaah, that ain't actually happening with your math. Your math completely ignores combat abilities, terrain and other things on both sides. Your white room is nifty, but doesn't mean much in actual game play. It doesn't matter. Pick a background that doesn't give a combat feat.

Unless you're suggesting that the PC is never, ever using anything else to attack except for his stat bonus, it will never be more than that. It will always pale in comparison to everything else the PC has to bring to bear. Thanks for proving my point. The PC is probably going to lose whether...

I wondered the same thing, but since I couldn't read the article... 🤷‍♂️

Yep. I went to read it, but I don't do paywalls or account walls.

Yes and no. The +1 won't mean that much with regard to hitting and damage over the long term of the campaign, so it's not all that effective on it's own, but it's also even less effective than that when you add in all the feats, class abilities, spells, etc. that go into a combat. Those are...

I'm not sure if my life was made better or worse for seeing that. Well, today I learned...

You're missing @Scott Christian's point. His point is that there are so many variables in combat on both sides, that the +1 cannot be said to be 18% or 28% more damage. It might be more. It might be less. Overall it's probably less than 1% of a PC's effectiveness in combat.

So first, he said that as a bonus to you. The reality is that it would be 1% or less effective. Your math doesn't change that, either. Your math is purely about +1 damage, when the combat pillar includes all class abilities, racial abilities useful in combat, magic items, feats, etc. So...

First, you don't get to tell me what I have been claiming. I get to tell you. Second, I've refrained from calling you a liar for your constant and blatant misrepresentations of my arguments, even after being corrected several times. Don't do it to me, especially for your error over my claims...

Okay dude. Factually does afford = doesn't afford. got it. :rolleyes: You just answered your own question. They don't need to be flawed. Nor do they need to be flawed to a much greater degree by allowing all 6 stats. You fix flaws, not make them worse. And you are wrong. I've seen many...

Last night was full of a lot of strange dreams, but I never imagined that any of my dreams would ever be influenced by @Snarf Zagyg. I just can't see any other reason why in one of my dreams, I came across a very old Dragon Magazine special edition where every D&D article in it was about...

The claim was you will hit 5% more often. The actual claim, and not your Strawman, is mathematically correct. +1 is 6.5 damage. The 18% is utterly irrelevant. It's a Red Herring designed to try and trick people away from what matters. What matters is that it's a single, solitary, extra...

This is fairly blatantly false statement. They do in fact afford that. In all of them you can pick at least two that do make sense thematically, and two is all you need. I'm sorry, but two wrongs don't make a right. That they have included a few stats that are not thematically correct...

Who also use charisma!! :P But seriously. Folks call dex the god stat, but it's not. Charisma is. While you are using your dex to win initiative, hit better, and be harder to hit in that fight, I've talked my fight out of fighting me, had it join my side, and sent it off to fight another one...

Charisma is a much better increase for a fighter. The ability to better persuade kings, merchants, and dragons is better than an extra hit now and then.

You guys are super enamored with the meaningless percentages. If your PC does 1 point of damage and suddenly he does 2 points of damage, that's a 100%!!!!111!!!!1!!! increase! That's such a huge and meaningful contribution to combat now! It blows your paltry 27% increase out of the water. It...

I edited my response. Check the edit. :P

To be fair, if the group is hitting a bunch of monsters who are resistant to non-magical weapons, not having one while the guy over there does have one can make you feel left behind in the dust. It's really campaign dependent and not at all based on the +1 bonus itself.