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I remember the same. In 2E they were pretty marginal, and 2E used supplements to support all kinds of settings and historical periods, so there was no uproar over them. Once they made them core in 3E and gave them excellent stats, they started to be controversial.

At what level can an AD&D fighter without any magic items detect secret doors just by walking past them, see in the dark, and live for a thousand years? 1st, if he's an elf. The idea of different species having superhuman powers as a baseline before we even touch character levels isn't exactly...

And while you would probably have to wait until high level to get epic stuff like a Hammer of Thunderbolts to approach Mjolnir, even Thor's only got a few items, and at that level AD&D characters are bedecked with magic like a particularly gaudy Christmas tree.

I think Remathilis meant source of concern in the same sense we're seeing in this thread. That they don't fit the period feel/envisioned tech level lots of folks have for D&D, and that they unbalance the game by elevating Dex further as a god stat and devaluing Strength.

Why did the hipster burn his mouth on his pineapple pizza? Perhaps because my mother has celiac and I've had multiple partners with dietary issues, I've always considered asking about dietary preferences, allergies and restrictions a mandatory part of hospitality. If your food is no good for...

Kind of depends. By the mid levels you're typically carrying a lot more magic items than a comic book Asgardian. :LOL:

Thursday night I got in a good hard session. Three circuits of dumbbell bench, inclined curls, and skull crushers, with drop sets on the bench and curls, three sets of overhead shoulder press with drop sets, and three sets of face pulls. Had some good tricep and upper back soreness...

You can run any of the total numbers through this to get a ballpark estimate: https://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm Though equating that to another currency obviously complicates matters, because exchange rates vary.

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Great work! A ton of fun to review, and nice visualizations alongside the numbers.

I largely agree, although we know that Gary and co were very interested in history, but also limited in what books they had access to in part due to limits of the local library when they were first writing. For example, I understand that his use of Charles Ffoulkes' 1909 Armour & Weapons...

If you want to get persnickity, 1e uses "sword, long" in the PH weapon tables, uses "long sword" as two words everywhere else in the PH, and uses all three forms in the DMG (though I'll concede the two word variation is most common). :) Good observation.

Doesn't 1e define the value of an electrum piece as half that of a gold piece?

True enough, but this whole conversation is about rapiers in the context of D&D (and other D&D-like games, which might indeed give different stats to a rapier vs a smallsword). Which requires categorization for purposes of rules, making it in that way more similar to HEMA and its needs than to...

Yeah, I used to see that kind of problem-solving get a lot of discussion in the AD&D days. And ways for assassins and such to work around raise dead, like taking away part of the body, or inserting a long thin needle into the brain at the base of the skull and concealing it under their hair...

I think she's pointing out that weapons labeled "rapiers" by experts existed in the 15th century. Whether those weapons are mislabeled in your opinion gets into more subjective territory.

I think Overgeeked's use of "kick in the door" may be informed by the default expectation in OD&D that doors in dungeons are always stuck (for intruders) and must be forced. Obviously other games don't necessarily have that expectation. Probably a good time to link d4 Caltrop's OSE Encounter...