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I dunno...I think making a popular game is goals 1-5. Part of that may mean simplifying (remains to be seen if making everything spells does this, but it really might). Not trying to be harsh, btw; just thinking about the other thread about how 5e is akin to the Cheesecake Factory and it's...

It seems so. It really shouldn't be, though, right? Professional game designers and all that. Other systems seem to have managed (PF2E for example). It seems though, that anything slightly not-normal is going to be represented by spells, moving forward. It's the simplest, easiest solution...

Isn't default spellcasting mechanics what is being offered in the packet? Totally willing to admit I missed it if it wasn't.

Right. And WotC rules say that the ranger's abilities... ...need V,S,M components. ...can be dispelled. ...can be counter-spelled. ...are subject to anti-magic zones, issues with The Weave (is that still a thing in FR?), etc. ...legendary resistance (haven't gone through all the spells, may...

It doesn't matter how you envision your character when you sit down to play? I mean, there are technical issues to be sure (if you don't have the material components, etc.) but primarily it's about how the character plays from one's imagination...which is why we play RPGs, right? If we were...

So, if a person wanted to play a highly skilled outdoorsman who could accomplish things like calming the wild horse down, minor healing, befriending a wolf, knowing weaknesses of creatures, and other rangery-stuff...the answer has to be spells. D&D spells, mind you, with their VSM components...

So...is there anything to discuss?

No, it wasn't. DMG2 had awesome advice for skill challenges, better than anything we've gotten for 5e, sadly.

True, I am remembering the ranger in our group near the end of our 4e campaign and there were a lot more options by then. That's still the 4e ranger, though, yes?

If one actually wants wilderness stuff, it's not a competition. Rangers didn't need additional combat enhancements, anyway.

I think you are forgetting the utility powers...

Yeah, it was really good. Too bad your son didn't play it for more than a single round.

They did?

You know how both fighter and rogue, as base classes, have no spells but offer subclasses that use magic? Yeah, ranger should follow their lead.

I don't know...there are no hard-and-fast rules about what, exactly, the Stranger can do, or his nature, so it feels weird saying this-or-that is inconsistent with the spirit of ME. Mithril might be medicine for elves...or something else entirely. I feel it's a bit early for any reaction to...

!!!? No, it really isn't...at least not to the 4 people living here who are watching this. It feels suitably like it's got the "spirit of Tolkien's vision." Not that that is hard to do, since that's a very ambiguous phrase in the first place.

Was it a problem? I don't remember 4e barbarians being locked into their choices. Couldn't a player pick a power or two for the times when there is just one solo monster to fight?

As a sandbox to project my own story on, I found it good.

Keep on the Shadowfell. Thunderspire Labyrinth wasn't bad, though.

Mmmm...not really. The presence of Skill Challenges in 4e tells me it wasn't all about combat, not matter what people predestined to complain about 4e would say.