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Yup. That's what the reaction roll is for. Social stuff with potential foes is definitely part of it. Not the one who said otherwise, incidentally.

Like everything else, it varies by group, but I believe the intended playstyle was avoidance when possible. Getting the treasure/xp without getting killed was optimal by my reading.

Fair enough. I shouldn't be posting right now anyway. Bad mood. I apologize for upsetting you.

If you didn't like Level Up, do you think I would object to you saying so? People have done so, and I can take it. In the abstract, what you're saying is no one should discuss something they don't like, because someone who does like it might take it poorly. You're welcome to like whatever you...

At this point, that's true. Wasn't always the case. I suppose you're right though.

Very funny, but it doesn't address the growing out of part of my post.

You know, it is possible to market to more than one demographic simultaneously.

While I see this as pretty hyperbolic if you're referring to my behavior, it sounds very much like you're telling me to stop expressing my feelings.

If only they were honest then.

Are the products in question supposed to be "grown out of"? Are we supposed to stop playing (and buying) when we cease to be teenagers? I'm pretty sure that's the case with Saturday Morning Cartoons. Not so much with D&D. And it's the demographic they stop caring about, the one I've been a part...

I picked up some of the books for inspiration and maybe play, but eventually dumped them for being far too narrative for my tastes (hard to convert), and the setting detail wasn't special enough to make up for it.

True, but there's nothing good about getting invested in an game for decades and being told (over and over again it seems) that they used to care about you, but now they don't because you got old. Like they'd really like you to shuffle off so they can continue to market to the kids without your...

I think it's pretty clear the goal of that art is to show the kinds of things adventurers in 1e commonly do. You know, going into dark dangerous places and taking valuable stuff from them.

It would IMO lead to a healthier hobby, so yes.

This would also be acceptable.

To be fair, I'm quite certain the type of gamer I am is currently being actively disabled by the gorilla, not just "no longer being the only focus". Sure, my preferences were never specifically catered to all that much, but it used to be much, much easier to make it work. Fortunately, there are...

Ok. I'll just ask one more question: does the PC taking the out of turn narrative-driven action lose their action when their initiative comes up?

Well, I don't think the hobby needs an 800lb gorilla influencing the design and business choices of every other company. I'd much rather have several small companies in place of one WotC.

To be fair, my group played 4e like a boardgame every week for six months after we dropped it as an RPG. It was a lot of fun.

So, everyone except WotC then?