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I'm thinking of running this soon... Did you play theater of the mind, maps & miniatures, VTT, or something else? I just ordered two Chessex Megamats and going to draw out the entire dungeon. Also ordered a couple dozen black, silk handkerchiefs to cover it with to create a fog-of-war effect...

@Deset Gled

For me, it's not the variance of the party that bothers, but the "happy family" vibe that seems out of place. I prefer fiction where everyone is on edge and distressful of each other as the default, especially when there's historic tension in the lore, so I look for systems that accommodate...

@payn Thanks for the history lesson! Looks like I had the Second Edition (still the best cover art IMO) and thought the system was pretty slick, but couldn't get anyone interested to try it out with me.

Which is why "Roll again to confirm" in 3E was more mathematically sound... but man did it feel like a bummer when you didn't make it. I REALLY dislike crits, but my players love them, so the compromise was a crit meant auto-success with max damage.

PDFs are out! Downloading mine now!

Forgot to mention I'm on PC using FireFox.

I've never understood what "bad faith" actually means, but I gather it's when someone has no desire to understand a conflicting perspective? I guess this sort of thing has never bothered me in a public forum since even if the person I'm responding to doesn't find my responses useful at least...

On a similar note... these two wouldn't be the same class in D&D either!

Again, I think you're vastly oversimplifying the D&D Thief class. They certainly didn't start that way; and although over time their abilities have been watered down, they still have unique class features that make them stand out. If you're serious about understanding the concept of the...

@Staffan I follow what you're saying and agree. In the context of OP's question though, I'm still not seeing the relevance. The source of contention was that Thieves were just a collection of skills, no powers, so therefor should be removed. In systems where "thieves" are defined only by what...

@Retros_x I'm with you here. The entire premise of the question doesn't make sense when talking about classless systems... @1QD If this is the case, then I suggest name dropping some specific systems and examples for us to answer your question better since leaving it open to "all systems" is...

Also for fun, I found this band called Gygax while looking that interview up 🤘:

Well, I for one would like to know what his favorite laundry detergent was... Joking aside, I found this for you:

This post reminded me to finish reading my TB2e books... Anyway, looks really cool!

Oh, thanks for letting me know. Another forum I was on made it sound like it was distancing itself away from B/X.

Been hooked for 37 years. Started with 2e ended with 5.24. 😀 How about you?

Confused why a new edition of OSE is needed. I thought that's what Dolmenwood was essentially going to be? Is this for players who don't have Dolmenwood and also don't want a faithful retro-clone anymore?