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They're also the ones being absoluetly demolished in this poll on having no identity, that's the thing. You can certainly take them and do what you want and sure, fit a square peg into a round hole, but wouldn't a purpuse built, mechanically supported Swordmage also do that? Just, this way you...

I'd argue these aren't helping anything and worsening things. The more generic classes are the ones being accused of having no identity, so that's what should be avoided. Sorcerer's the one that isn't generic, but I'd argue sorcerer's issue is not having a mechanical identity, as opposed to a...

Good for your groups? I'm sure there's groups that do other weird stuff not included in the rules as well, doesn't mean we gotta shove all that in. 5E has races be a simple pile of "Here's your few + stats (since removed) and a few abilities", its not a place for penalties and certainly not a...

Its not how the game is designed, and the only two races that had penalties were orcs and kobolds, in a blatent display of "Yeah we don't want you playing these". People were justifiably annoyed and, shock and horror, they got removed. Shock and horror, game is designed a specific way and...

"Makes magic gear" is enough of a story beat that they absolutely have massive identity that really wouldn't do well if merged back into wizard. They're the closest thing you can get to the tinkerer archetype. Mechanics aren't the best, sure, but the idea behind it is solid enough. If I want to...

I see you desire war. There will be gnomes going forward. Seriously though, 5E doesn't give races penalties at all and the two times it did people absolutely tore them to shreds, especially given it was on one of the weakest races at the time in orcs. There is no justifiable reason for a size...

While I am one of the biggest gnome fans who ever gnomed, I gotta admit it'd be even worse. D&D's one most iconic character in Drizzt is a Ranger Rangers will be fine, given all D&D's wizards except maaaybe Elminster are a cavalcade of 'who?' to anyone not already dee[ in the D&D sauce

Moreso if you have all those things running around on mountains, to drag out when appropriate, then you don't really have legs to stand on if you start complaining about people wanting to play a cat-person or fey rabbit (which both date back to 1E. I remember Pooka and their selective...

They're going to handle it with "Yeah pick medium or small" ,just like they did for a bunch of other races. Not perfect, sure, but its basic enough a solution. Its not really adding more diversity or lore though beucase.... Templates are boring. Let's be completely honest here, templates are...

Races are more than their stats. I don't play orcs for a stat block, I play an orc because Times Change. If you removed stats entirely and broke it down to "Orc: You're an ORC' folks will still be playing these races. If all the difference between elves was "Pick WOODS, MAGIC or UNDERGROUND"...

The Goliath statblock in Races of Stone was, in of itself, a setting neutral version of the 3E half giant that removed the psionics for suvival stuff, and there's a good argument it was also another attempt at doing a more player friendly half-ogre, so it does have a fairly sizeable legacy if...

See, that brings up the issue. That's a shadow themed fighter with some similar things, not a conversion of the Way of Shadow that allows everything the monk has. Heck, the weapon strike is specifically Wepaon Attacks so you can't even do decent unarmed stuff, which immediately makes this a...

Yeah the "Shove everything into 4 classes" thing comes up so often but no one has ever justified why its beneficial to do so Its not making anything simpler and if anything, its overcomplicated every single class because now they need to have multiple classes worth of content in each one. The...

You're either saying the Fighter is so generic you can build anything from it (which is. Not true), and you're also indirectly taking pot-shots at folks who like monks, pallies and barbarians, saying their class doesn't have enough weight to it to stand by themselves. Which uh, yeah, I'm gonna...

Its not not wanting it in the game (That's a simple "Yeah you're being too much a gooner"), its it being 'quirky' I take issue with. Centaurs are basic fantasy, and horny goddess follower is so absolutely vanilla in the "being way too horny" posting that I don't even blink at it. It isn't...

You and I got real different definitions of quirky, even if it was a sex thing. Centaurs are basic fantasy 101 and BG3 reminded folks FR in particular is unrepentantly horny

I mean, are we changing everything? Greyhawk isn't a load bearing "Only these races have to be playable or everything collapses" setting. Its a bare-bones basic setting based on a homebrew setting that is absolutely based on rule of cool. We are talking about the setting with the god who is a...

This is being published as a "Hey here's an example setting thing" in the book that's introducing people to the game for the first time. Its going to be doing an absolutely poor job of that if it goes "Okay remove 50% of the races of the game because they didn't exist before 90% of the people...

If we're going to comment on setting elements making logical sense, I'm going to take an absolute golfclub to Ravenloft, Kara Tur and Maztica well before I get to any of the new stuff they're likely going to be adding to Greyhawk. Logical sense is not in this game's history for worldbuilding...

Adam isn't his name. The Monster goes nameless, but he compares himself to Adam The quote in question is “I ought to be thy Adam; but I am rather the fallen angel”