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I do not have an issue imagining a high-level warrior using mortal strikes against 3-4 ogres

My point exactly. If your argument against the minion concept is using a Lich as an example, then you do not understand the purpose of the minion.

I can see a high-level warrior wading through ogres with clean efficient kills, it is a less likely occurrence happening with a cluster of liches I feel.

Using that technique what would make them a minion? The idea behind my changes is that the fighter would still wade through if they did enough damage, but that smaller amounts of damage would not suddenly drop the creature.

2e until till 3.5e Man that was so fortunate...I'd have been highly annoyed if I had picked up 3.0

I'd say we are spoilt for choice right now (regarding tools we can use), fortunately.

This is true. During the early days of 5e / the D&D "Next" phase I had the table experiment with capped HD based on size (Medium = 6, Large = 10....etc). Resistance and Damage Threshold could also be implemented. I mean that if i wanted to pick a part the fiction of D&D I have an issue with...

The math of 4e is not my preferred method of reflecting the world. However if I use the minion concept in 5e I would be using things like damage threshold, resistance and # of attacks etc to reflect a minion. I would not be changing the creature's AC, with regards to damage I'd likely use the...

Well I attempted to provide a non-gamist representation which is what you had asked for. I feel the use of the minion concept is to emulate the cinematic experience of the character being so experienced/awesome that they are able to wade through previously considered dangerous monsters with...

Apologies only getting to this now. I get that, but also in a game which starts using minion ogres they become common place as opposed to ogres you encounter when you're 5th level. i.e. the board states changes as your character progresses in levels and you adapt to the new difficulty. Anyways...

Not arguing that.

Hit Points are abstract. One can use mechanics available any which way they prefer to reflect the toughness of an Ogre as a minion in a similar abstract fashion.

So what you're saying is they're abstract in both scenarios. This is why I said my empathy goes only so far. EDIT: See there are many ways to represent the toughness of an Ogre, not just hit points which is abstract any way you look at it. You can have an Ogre with 1 hit point or x attacks...

And just to kind of complete the point the minion concept is a great idea that can be modified to match with your sim-tastes Give it the necessary defenses so it does not seem wishy-washy with a successful cat scratch attack, so to speak Besides increasing AC, there is Damage Threshold or...

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For some maybe and can also empathise but only to a degree, because if I were sim-orientated, and I used to be more so, there would be things I'd first consider first rather than worry about minions, namely magic and hit points. To be honest I'm not sure how one can touch on minions and...

There is a three-letter acronym (slightly modified) that comes to mind. I'm not convinced it will pass the grandma test though for these boards. :ROFLMAO:

Oh looks really smart UP!!! My PCs are to face their first encounter with the mythic mechanics - Iymrith (Wyrms of the Realms) They are only 15th level, with other participants for and against, but our homebrew rules also likely increases their effective level by an easy 2 at the minimum. I...

If one watched Starship Troopers Rico and his team take the better part of a minute to take one of those bugs down, but by the end of the show they take a few seconds. Similar concept. It is not only that the mechanics depict minions to have less hit points but that they also do more damage than...

That may be true, but if I were that tiefling I'd consider changing my weaponsmith.