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  1. SableWyvern

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    The GM is always ultimately accountable to the players at the table. The players are always ultimately accountable to the GM and each other. It doesn't matter where the GM gets their information or what their process is. It doesn't matter whether the setting is independent or not. It doesn't...
  2. SableWyvern

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I overlooked this part of your earlier post, until @Faolyn quoted it. We would resolve it through a conversation. As GM, if one of my players was telling me they had reliable research to suggest the penalties were too harsh and the rules were realistic enough for it to matter, I'd probably rule...
  3. SableWyvern

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    If we are talking about irreconcilable differences of perspective then I can't see any method of GMing working for me. If we're not, then, in my experience, disagreements do, indeed, usually come down to miscommunication. However, if the reason wasn't a miscommunication and wasn't the result...
  4. SableWyvern

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    We don't need need some objective rating of plausibility that can be reduced to some hard, numerical rating, though. Do the players feel it's plausible? Do the players feel that less plausible things fall within an acceptable range as plausible outliers? Then it's plausible enough, which is all...
  5. SableWyvern

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I explain my position, the GM explains theirs, we reach a decision, we move on. Most likely, the root cause of the disagreement was a miscommunication and we both had slightly different understandings of the situation, so once we identify that point of confusion, it's generally easy to reach a...
  6. SableWyvern

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    This response seem to have little or nothing to do with what I said. A DM being required to automatically discount a resolution as soon as any player questions it also sounds pretty dysfunctional to me. My expectation is that players and GMs are able to arrive at mutually agreeable...
  7. SableWyvern

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    A game where the players' opinions just don't matter is a dysfunctional one, and I am confident that no one in this thread is advocating for dysfunctional games. "This playstyle won't work if the GM doesn't care what their players think," is a given, as far as I'm concerned.
  8. SableWyvern

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    You may well have seen such things; I'm just leery of people who then apply those experiences to specific individuals they don't know in a general conversation or treat their experience as universally applicable. I've certainly seen people claim that I probably don't or might not really know...
  9. SableWyvern

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    To be clear, I wasn't trying to assert that you're a member of any particular group, simply that anyone drawing on EnWorld (or any other similar online source, there's nothing unique about this site in that respect) conversations as a source of data is necessarily drawing a reasonable amount of...
  10. SableWyvern

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    My advice is assume that anything you see in mainstream reporting of science is embellished, taken out of context and the conclusions being drawn by the author based in their own dreams and hopes (or a desire to feed on the hopes and dreams of the reader). Quanta Magazine, I think, is one of...
  11. SableWyvern

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Yeah, I think it's really impossible to know. I assume your feelings on the matter are based on extensive personal experiences so it's natural that you'll form an opinion that something you rarely see is probably an outlier. But then my extensive experience tells me the exact opposite thing. My...
  12. SableWyvern

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    People can even enjoy completely contradictory styles. I'm currently running a game in a style that is in complete opposition to everything I'm arguing for in this thread. Last session, a player voiced a belief about what might be going on and I decided to make that the reality, even though in...
  13. SableWyvern

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I will absolutely agree this style of play requires a group where everyone is sufficiently aligned in their expectations and understanding and there there are processes to deal with misunderstandings. For those people who haven't been in a position where there is that level of alignment within...
  14. SableWyvern

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    How many digits of pi do you need? We can calculate millions, but only 15 or 16 get used for interplanetary navigation and I think for the most precise earthly engineering tasks 5 or 6 is more than sufficient. More precision is simply not necessary for most tasks. Similarly, GMs don't need to...
  15. SableWyvern

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Never mind, you clarified that what I thought you were saying wasn't the point you were trying to make, so that part of my response was not relevant.
  16. SableWyvern

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Well, it's clearly not objective enough for you. It is objective enough for us, though.
  17. SableWyvern

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Oh, then I fall back to my bracketed closing statement: who cares? Arriving at a singular, unique outcome which was always the only possible result, was never the intent. This line of argument just a rehashing of the, "If you're not 100% objective, 100% realistic, 100% perfect, why do you even...
  18. SableWyvern

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I presume when you say it's not yielding a unique outcome, you're referring to the fact that that outcomes aren't unique to this specific process, as opposed to the idea that the process can only ever arrive at a single, inevitable outcome. Speaking for myself, it doesn't matter if the process...
  19. SableWyvern

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Because there are different degrees and types of fun, and most adults understand that instant gratification isn't always the best option. Eating all the cookie dough right now might be fun, but it will also result in you feeling sick, and you will miss out on baked cookies later. Feeling that...
  20. SableWyvern

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    In all seriousness, if pemerton advised me he wasn't interested in providing further answers to some question I had, I would most likely have shrugged and moved on. I may have started composing some kind of snarky response but (along with about 90% of the things I've typed in reply boxes for...
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