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Isn't that the Flanaess? The main ethnic group are called the Flan*, don't they? *which is a funny name if you know Spanish...

Oh, sure. I would have liked if all were tied to the starting region somehow. That would have been ideal, because each option in the PHB would have had an example of how they fit in the setting. Again, this is supposed to be the example setting for the new DM to start homebrewing. But as I...

Well, is better than nothing, I guess. I would have wanted something more like what they did in the 4e DMG with the PHB races, but well... I already have a campaign there. Good setting, if you ask, but the truth is that I'm getting curious about Greyhawk. All this conversation made aware that...

But every race needs a homeland. Even halflings have some unnamed communities near Saltmarsh. That homeland doesn't need to be within the Flanaess necessarily, but they need to say they live somewhere.

Well, that is the issue here. You don't make a setting the "starter setting for DMs" and then try to make it a unique setting were some options of the PHB are banned. You either have an starter setting that allows for the basic PHB options, or you have a unique setting geared towards a certain...

Sure, but I would have preferred "canonical" recognition for the modern D&D species, not some sort of nebulous DMs fiat.

"Dragonborn: No dragonborn are native to Fallcrest, but travelers occasionally pass through and take up work for a time, especially as bodyguards or caravan guards." Dungeon Master's Guide (4e). This is from the Nentir Vale, the setting that was created with the dragonborn already integrated...

The art doesn't confirm anything. You can easily say that the tavern from the picture where you can see a dragonborn and some tieflings alongside Tasha is just a place in Sigil or whatever (someone already used that argument when I show them that picture, that's why I'm using it as an example of...

Or tieflings, or goliaths, or tabaxi. I just use dragonborn as the example because they are the ones who usually get more rejected by old school gamers.

Sorry 😢

At this point, I'm still wondering why they bothered with bringing back Greyhawk in the first place - then, I remember they are just capitalizing in the 50th anniversary thing...

The problem is that neither FR or DL are presented as "sample starting settings". So, FR and DL don't need to include everything from the PHB. They are not starting settings, but settings for specific fantasy tropes. They can deviate from the basics if they want. It's even expected they do that...

Do you have an example of this? Because I haven't seen anyone complaining about how the N*z*s need more representation. Are they?

Greyhawk, the setting where people is ok with modernizing N*z*s so as long these f*** dragonborn don't get included in the setting. EDIT Edited inappropriate language

For the same reason many people were awaiting for them to add the setting to the DM's Guild. There is a certain sense of legitimization when something is officially recognized.

That was not my point. My point was that, if you are selling "isolationist elves" as one of the main highlights of Greyhawk, then there should be something really unique about the isolationist elves of Greyhawk that was not replicated in the other D&D settings. Otherwise, it's not really a...

I see. A modernization of the setting. Interesting they modernize that, but prefer to not add new species to the setting in an official manner...

Is there any idea for why they changed the name of the Scarlet Brotherhood to Scarlet Order? I fail to see any relation to something unpleasant, but I'm not an expert about Greyhawk.

Are you implying that all settings aren't humanocentric with most of the world dominated by humans, and the demi-humans being few and far between, and humanoids even few, and usually enemies of humans and their demi-humans friends? There is no setting that doesn't use that formula. That's the...

You are right, and I apologize if I have inconvenienced you. However, I've had a lot of bad experiences with that kind of DMs, that I'm not happy with the game officially encouraging that kind of behavior... Again, because they have been doing since 2014 (this time is just less open about it). I...