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After reading the whole topic, I can say this is why I was so reluctant to them using Greyhawk as the default/sample setting: it's a closed-minded setting. A default/sample setting needs to be open to all the options in the PHB, even if these options go beyond the Tolkien four. On topic, having...

What about the Platinum Dragon and The Scaled Tyrant? Bahamut and Tiamat are the most Greyhawk gods you can find, being there in the original sourcebook (IIRC).

I have the Living Greyhawk Gazetter. Is that a good source, or I should get that Boxed Set everyone talks about?

Those pinnacles look interesting, but I'm searching for a place in the map. I'd prefer an option that would more readily justify a small population in the Flanaess, one that your average farmer NPC™ might have at least heard of if not ever encountered directly (though, one can easily say that...

I was checking the Greyhawk map, and if the former Baklunish lands were in/near/around the Dry Steppes... 🤔 there is potential there. Dragonborn in 4e were desert dwellers, so there is a lot of material to use as inspiration.

Plot twist: Snarf is secretly a bard.

Do you mean by fans or by WotC? Because, while there was no dedicated campaign book, 4e had a lot of Dragon and Dungeon articles, as well as some adventures and that, and the Greyhawk setting was acknowledged, both in lore and in the informative articles. Unlike what they do with the Nentir Vale...

I don't know why people makes it feel like it was the other way around, with old school DMs banning unconventional playable species and stuff. Anyways, thanks for the answer.

Yes. Most of the little known FR lore is from sources like Ed Greenwood's Twitter, or his Discord channel. And in the old days, it was from Candlekeep forums. Anyways, he confirmed the name his Discord channel (compiled in the FR wiki).

I don't have problem with the size of places, more with the lack of places. For instance, in the Nentir Vale dragonborn are uncommon, they have no city or town of their own. However, the setting has a place for them: they are said to come from the far southern lands and to be nomadic folk...

I'm beginning to think I lost an important context about bards somewhere... An interesting name. However the super continent is named Bharyar. I mean, is a Greenwood setting, things are already named.

As the guy who compiled a 150+ document about the Dawn War lore, I can safely assure you: is not even remotely close in any way to the Dawn War. And don't remind me of how they murdered the Raven Queen with her extremely lame Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes lore. I get depressed every time I...

They need a place to come from. Dwarves have the dwarf cities. Elves the elven kingdom, etc. Cultures doesn't exist in a vacuum.

It is different. Keep on the Borderlands is an add-on to an already existing setting (Mystara, IIRC. But I'm not sure). While the Nentir Vale is basically the starting point for the Dawn War setting. This setting was created from the Nentir Vale, not the other way around. But yes, both are...

Well, Perkins said that Greyhawk is home to "all the monsters of the Monster Manual", and "all the magic items of the Dungeon Master's Guide", but curiously didn't mention anything about all the playable species of the Player's Handbook... But perhaps I'm just reading too much into this and...

Incomplete is a relative term. The Nentir Vale has a main campaign hub fully described (Fallcrest), and a description of the surrounding terrain with just enough information to know about these locations while leaving room for full creative freedom. It may be a small setting, but it is still a...

Well, again, yes and no. As just the Nentir Vale region, it's still a fully sandbox setting. You can play a whole lv. 1-20 campaign without ever leaving the vale. However, AFAIK, they never considered the Nentir Vale a proper setting, just a place to plug into your pre-established campaign...

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If only they do the same with the species, I will be more optimistic. I know DMs, specially old school DMs, to wish species roles to be specifically mentioned in the rules.

Yes and no. It started as you said, a piece of land to plug into whatever place you wanted in your campaign. However, as 4th edition advanced, the Nentir Vale started to grown into its own setting, with its own lore and stuff (though, it shares a lot of places with Greyhawk and Mystara). The...