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But, I think, the mistake here is thinking that you achieve coherence through subtraction. Instead of making people want to play A, B or C, you're simply saying, "You cannot play D, E, or F, so, make do with what's left over." I'm just as guilty of that as anyone. I mean, my last campaign I...

Then, isn't that a pretty solid reason to have a new setting that is distinct? That draws on D&D as it is now and not D&D as it was thirty or forty years ago? Sorry, I'm wandering a bit afield on topics and getting my streams crossed. The reason, IMO, and IME, that players don't really care...

It's funny. These sorts of threads always cause me to be a lot more self-reflective on my experiences. And thinking about this, I've always leaned heavily on smaller settings. My first setting that I really bought into was Scarred Lands. Before 3e, I pretty much only ran homebrew settings...

But, you were just going on about how this year it's Forgotten Realms, next year it's Dark Sun. So, it's going to be at least two years before we see a Greyhawk adventure. What was the point of putting it into the DMG and then not having any support?

Yes, and that was a fascinating Greyhawk AP wasn't it? Just riveting. I mean, we've got Greyhawk IN the DMG, and yet not a single actual adventure for Greyhawk. :erm: You'd think they might lean into it just a little, but, apparently, the only actual Greyhawk adventure will be a reprint...

And in the first seven years, they published Sword Coast adventures almost exclusively. It's only been in the past couple of years that we're seen any branching out. And, now with 2024 on the shelves, what's the first big release? Oh, right, honking big Forgotten Realms set. Any bets on...

Again, isn't focusing on a single setting precisely what they did for most of 5e? Outside of a few other AP's, virtually every book for 5e was laser beam focused on the Sword Coast. Why is the idea of having a sort of "default" setting such a bizarre thought?

Let me rephrase. Players very rarely will care as much about a setting as the DM does. At least, that's been my experience. And my experience has also been that the players couldn't give a rat's petoot about setting when creating characters. They come with fully formed characters more often...

Heck, never minding homebrewing, even in published settings, different tables interpret the setting totally differently. Just this week I've been told that dragonborn are incredibly rare in the Sword Coast AND they can easily be found everywhere in the Sword Coast. 🤷 No wonder players don't...

I knew it had something to do with torches. :D :p

@el-remmen, my current game is similar. I'm running Out of the Abyss and it starts off with the PC's being prisoners of hte Drow and having been shanghaied into the Underdark. Essentially, nobody knows much of anything about the setting. The nice thing that I'm discovering about OOTA is that...

Ok, that's enough of that.

Meh, I started playing D&D with The Known World. That's about exactly the size I was talking about and it had everything you needed for D&D. 🤷 To me, all that other stuff is just a waste of time. I was asked what my preferences are. Well, that's my preference. Keep it small, focused and...

Heh. I gotta admit, I'd be perfectly happy with that. I mean, one setting was all we had for almost a decade. It wasn't until the mid 80's that we started getting more settings. When I started playing D&D, there was The Known World (wasn't even Mystara then) which was a small continent and...

Because while EVERY other PC can have a connection to a NPC through a background, ONLY certain PC's can have a connection through species because only those species are actually represented in the canon of the setting. That's what I've been arguing for all the way along. Yes, there are MANY...

And, whiff, there goes the point off over the horizon again. It's not the only way. Good grief. Of course not. But, if I choose to play a human or an elf or a drow or a dwarf or a gnome or any other PHB race, I can connect to an existing, canon NPC in the setting IF I SO CHOOSE. There is...

OMG. That's the point. You're getting there. You're so close.

Meh, why would you have playable Easterlings? They barely appear in the stories and have pretty much no role. Like I said, the point isn't to play Middle Earth Role Play. We already have that. The point is that in the area that the Lord of the Rings takes place in includes half a dozen or...

Missing the point. I'm not talking about my own character. I'm talking about the connections my character has to an NPC. The NPC has zero connections to the setting because the NPC Dragonborn doesn't actually exist in the setting. I have to not only make up my character, I also have to make...