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Order it and tell us how long it takes to show up.... :)

Nothing I've seen suggests that Amazon uses that for the tracking. But either way, do you think this is the cause of the ranking shift we are seeing?

I doubt it is that. It is tied to purchase events, not shipping dates. I do think that a lot less people are buying gaming books right now though.

I still am convinced that the marching orders for 4E were to convert people who were happy to pretend to be an elf online into people who would be happy to pretend to be an elf at a table. That said, I never for a second felt that 4E really felt like an MMO at all. But it did feel like "a TTRPG...

Seriously? You are the one who said "malicious". You are proving my point here. I replied to the statement "Even if there are people who understood 4e and disliked it ". This CLEARLY establishes a blanket generalization with the doubt that there is a common pool of people who both...

Oh yes, and let's not forget to add in the whole idea that dislike of 4E is a premeditated "malicious" thing. There is a Hatfields and McCoys element of this. An element of the existing fanbase was turned off right away and were vocal about it. (And the internet isn't exactly know for...

I'm sure you can cherry pick some data to support this. But the fact is that 4E was extremely popular out of the gate. Yes, it was also very divisive as well, but it started with a solid fan base. And that fanbase dropped off hard. People stopped playing it because they didn't like it...

Well, unless you are one of the naysayers. Seriously, 4E was an extremely well designed game and if you were in the niche that loved the style of game that 4E optimized, then it wasn't simply "better than what most naysayers are saying" it was outstanding. But if you wanted something out of...

My every 2 week game is now running weekly. We just use Zoom, so we are not reflected here. But I bet we are not the only group playing more frequently. So there is a double benefit. And I do certainly hope they gain added traction and this leads to sustained growth. Even though I still...

I liked it a lot. One of the main things I recall liking about was growth of fully realized worlds. Certainly Greyhawk was just one big name of the various early D&D settings. And no knock against them. But it was during the 2E era that I started really feeling like a campaign setting was...

No, he means Demoyn. I had noticed the same thing. (If you ever see Axiomatic Unicorn posting, that's me. :) Though at least I use the same avatar... )

Dude.... I clicked the link for this. what a let down. :)

What does the grey strikethrough username mean?

I see this as loaded terms and, as far as my games are concerned, misrepresentation. You are also describing a concept I could get fully behind if I was in the mood for a tactical battle game. In an RPG, it is to me all about the story. A situation in which normally inferior combatants get...

But you are talking about it in a way that presumes your point of view applies to everyone else and then questioning how other people can see it differently. You are just going in circles with that here. I'm not going to keep making the same points just because you keep making the same claims...

I'm saying that the underlying math produces the same range of controlled, predictable, "balanced" results. And it shows. In the specific case of 4E, because people at the table* will start seeing that no matter how different the scenarios may be, the mechanics repeat. Yes, a better DM...

Two replies: 1) The math would 2) RPGs are not played in one scenario. If you want to argue that 4E is a great tactical battle game, I think you will find a lot of people agreeing with you. And I don't doubt that I could play one isolated scenario and enjoy it as a cool battle game. But...

So I flipped some between 5E and PF (not PF2E). One of my players noted that he didn't care because it was "all just BryonD20". And, to him, this was a good thing. Not that hard to see since 5E and PF do share a lot of DNA. I'm sure the game would look a lot different if we went to GURPS...

Well, sure THAT I agree with. I don't quite think that is what he is saying. But what I think he is saying and what you are saying both don't even begin to appeal. I'm seeing "you could do THIS!!!" without anything at all to entice me.

Ok, so without much in it, why would I do this? I'm not seeing you offer any reason to expect this to be anywhere near as good as just playing another game. Yes, I could do it. I don't see any reason to want to.