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Alright, I want to make a concerted effort to learn DS well enough to run it at least once and get an honest feel for whether it is for me. Help me get there. What is the best set of introductory videos? What is the best actual play? What other learning resources are out there? Thanks.

There's no accounting for the particular peeves of a designer. Think about all those kinds of Pole Arms and yet there was just one "mace."

I'm being specific because that is my position, not because I am trying to force anyone to think that way. Discussion boards are for discussing stuff, after all. I totally agree that RPGs are full of "story things" that make them fun. And I know that people use "plot" in its broad, common...

Sure. Why not? I am sure there are some monsters in there whose physical or magical attacks have (potential) additional effects.

It was unintentional, but not wrong...

That is a fine summation. I think the Game part is most important, and Story is just something that happens because of the nature of the game. Sometimes those stories are really great. Most of the time they require a lot of mental editing to be coherent, let alone "good."

Again, talking past each other. You seem to want me to be saying something I am not saying so you can argue with me. I don't know what else to tell you.

Thanks.

My point is that when a story emerges from play, by definition that story (the tale of our band of weirdos liberating gold from a dragon's hoard, for example) is not complete until the game reaches some sort of resolution. But what I am really trying to express is that when we play, we aren't...

Yes. That.

It is good to see so little gnome love. I don't know who you two are, but you need WeeJas.

Fine. Sure. But you did not have a story about the pig incident until it was resolved, did you?

This is a good post.

There is at least one redeeming feature of this film...

I find it interesting that (so far anyway) Warforged are right up there with the "Tolkien races."

I'll do that (again) when the site owner lets me read the news. ;)

I am using Chrome. The ad banner runs at the bottom of the screen and so covers the "save changes" button if I go edit a thread. I found a work around (simply pressing enter) tho.

I'll try and be concise: you cannot have a story until you have a plot, and a plot is the series of events that make up the story. Therefore, there is no story until the thing is done. After the last die is rolled, the aggregate of what happened at the table, tempered by the recollections and...