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  1. kenmarable

    Harassment Policies: New Allegations Show More Work To Be Done

    Agreed. There is a world of difference between: “This was not a problem before.” and “This was not a problem that was talked about before.”
  2. kenmarable

    Harassment Policies: New Allegations Show More Work To Be Done

    Having the level of detail with decision-trees, etc. is great! When I say I'd like harassment policies to talk about the process, I'm certainly not talking about that level of detail both since people's eyes will glaze over and it will lead to bad actors trying to game the system. Mainly, I...
  3. kenmarable

    Harassment Policies: New Allegations Show More Work To Be Done

    To echo someone else earlier, what is your goal with this? Is it a snarky attack or just an attempt at some humor? Don’t know about others, but I’m confused.
  4. kenmarable

    Harassment Policies: New Allegations Show More Work To Be Done

    This is great! My main request for expansion would be in having more of it addressing the potential victims: - clarifying how confidential reports are (or are not), - being absolutely clear on who among the convention organizers decides what action is appropriate (ideally it should be a...
  5. kenmarable

    Harassment Policies: New Allegations Show More Work To Be Done

    Absolutely agree. Some of the best arguments I have read against "zero tolerance" policies have actually come from those who are for very strong policies. It's an example of a convention (or workplace or whatever) that might mean well, but is actually avoiding responsibility rather than taking...
  6. kenmarable

    Harassment Policies: New Allegations Show More Work To Be Done

    Just check with your boss and/or Significant Other before doing those searches! :) In all seriousness, I agree. Since that community has to deal with these issues, I'm sure they have spent a lot more time than others on it. However, since I am posting this from work, I will NOT volunteer to...
  7. kenmarable

    Harassment Policies: New Allegations Show More Work To Be Done

    Also, to address your particular instances, I am wondering what others think of as well (especially in light of the sample harassment definition I posted above) A) Talking about a 3rd party who is not present - does this count as harassment? My personal take is - if it is a private...
  8. kenmarable

    Harassment Policies: New Allegations Show More Work To Be Done

    I do agree that it largely is in the eye of the beholder, but I'm not quite ready to throw that baby out with the bathwater yet. (Although, admittedly, that's a stupid use of that analogy because are you *ever* ready to throw a baby out with the bathwater?? :) Anyway!) I think a policy that...
  9. kenmarable

    Harassment Policies: New Allegations Show More Work To Be Done

    I agree that this is a very important and constructive question. (Also, I was stating what conversation I am interested in having, and I see others are interested in having, and is productive moving forward. If people want to talk about other stuff or debate #1-3, I'm not stopping them. I'm not...
  10. kenmarable

    Harassment Policies: New Allegations Show More Work To Be Done

    [-]I think lowkey13 agrees that two-way communication isn't required since he blocked myself and others yesterday, and I'm guessing you might find his posts vanishing from your copy of this thread as well. Guess he's interested in a different conversation. Anyone else?[/-] So how specifically...
  11. kenmarable

    Harassment Policies: New Allegations Show More Work To Be Done

    Agreed. There's been some good discussion, but that signal has been buried in a lot of noise and distractions on however many pages this thread has been (I'm not sure the exact number because quite a few from my block list showed up especially early on as they usually do). So, we're gamers and...
  12. kenmarable

    Harassment Policies: New Allegations Show More Work To Be Done

    I was responding to this: She said that twice. (Unless the search function is broken.) Or are you changing which quote you are talking about? You gotta keep an eye on those goalposts, they are apt to move when you aren't looking. ;) I'd love to see some productive conversation, too, and...
  13. kenmarable

    Harassment Policies: New Allegations Show More Work To Be Done

    Yes, it was awfully snarky (but that's certainly not rare around here and makes the point). But the discussion is about conventions. Blocking someone on EN World doesn't help you avoid anyone in person. Even if it is entirely online, blocking someone on here EN World isn't a magic bullet to...
  14. kenmarable

    Harassment Policies: New Allegations Show More Work To Be Done

    How is wanting to avoid someone "automatically equating them to a villain/harasser"? Unless there is a premise in there somewhere that we are entitled to her attention/presence, I'm thinking people are making a logical leap that just ain't there. Wanting to avoid someone =/= equating them to...
  15. kenmarable

    Harassment Policies: New Allegations Show More Work To Be Done

    OR loosely translated "This is a look at what I have to constantly think about, and telling women not to share that just might help perpetuate the status quo." Furthermore, (she seems perfectly capable of defending myself, but since her reasonable replies about how she feels are "trolling you"...
  16. kenmarable

    Harassment Policies: New Allegations Show More Work To Be Done

    I'm sorry, I'm going to need a serious citation needed on this one, because it does not match any reality I have ever experienced or read about. Every community that I am a part of is having this exact same conversation about sexual harassment at their conventions and trade shows to address the...
  17. kenmarable

    Harassment Policies: New Allegations Show More Work To Be Done

    Ok, I can see repeating that question as possibly being trolling (or you could see it as a look into the unrelenting caution women have to constantly be thinking about). That being said, what in the heck was any of her well-stated reply trolling you??? Calling your bona fides into question...
  18. kenmarable

    "Stream of Many Eyes" -- WotC To Announce New Storyline In June

    Whoops, my bad! I completely parsed your sentence differently ("third book of the year this fall" not "three books this fall"). Should have figured that I misunderstood you rather than you weren't aware of that post. Sorry about that!
  19. kenmarable

    Harassment Policies: New Allegations Show More Work To Be Done

    And most trade conventions still have problems with sexual harassment!!! What women wear has NOTHING to do with sexual harassment.
  20. kenmarable

    Harassment Policies: New Allegations Show More Work To Be Done

    Did you read my post? Conventions that don't have room parties still have harassment. Conventions with sensible dress codes still have harassment. It is NOT because of room parties and lack of dress codes that harassment happens. It is from men being harassers. Alright, let's back up...
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