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Yeah, that's wild. There are some...interesting lives being lived out there. Just waiting for "4e ruined my marriage!"

Can you imagine blaming a game for your group breaking apart?? Not the words exchanged during a particular session or something, but just the game itself! Yeesh.

"The game made me do it!"

LOL, this is fantastic!

I don't know why everyone's abilities in a fantasy world should be knowable.

Honestly, why are you here in a + thread?

Ah. I was looking for the specific term.

Where is that in 5e?

So...not D&D 5e rules. Got it.

At every table that uses 5e D&D rules.

If they're killing a dragon with a bow and pike, then it's reality-defying.

If it has men and women wielding swords killing a huge dragon, that's what it's doing. As @TwoSix pointed out above, the lone woman with a greatsword can kill 10 bears in a single combat without accruing mortal wounds; so much more reality-bending when considering what a dragon would be.

Yeah, I guess, though the 5mwd exists whether there is an hp-fueled maneuver system or not.

I mean, maybe, depending on the cost. Also, please note: I am not saying casters are fine the way they are. I wasn't trying to make a comparison, per se. I was just looking for a way for martials to: 1) Do cool things without facing the "that's just spells!" or "Why aren't they always doing...

So, full disclosure: I was more than fine with 4e's AEDU system. The "dissociated mechanics" argument never really made sense to me. I understand, however, that it's a deal-breaker for some, so I went with the thing that is already kind of meta, and had a workable "in-universe" explanation...

I could see that, sure. I can think of a few...let's say, Vegas-Minded people, who would love it. Having exhaustion points could work too, though it's an additional resource to track; I figured hp makes it simpler. Or maybe the first manuever in a battle is free, as you say, and then it costs...

I mean, I guess. It's about resource management, right? The martials have to be conscious of their expenditures, but have more flexibility. If the wizard runs out of slots, they're done, but the sorcerer can get some hp restored (or use THP) and go again. I can see advantages and...

Ok. Still, this is just a matter of degree...it is only out of whack if the cost for the maneuver is made too high in the design process. As well, there's room for design space like the following: Reliable Maneuver Zorro always knows how to feint an opponent. Choose a maneuver you have known...

Do they? They tend to have the highest hp, no? As well, it's only an issue if the hp cost is too high; the math would have to be done to make sure it's reasonable. I am sure that's possible, though. It would also put the decision in the hands of the player: it might be fun to burn some hp...

??? Why? This would be a clear distinction between sorcerers and wizards (which might be helpful since going to neo-Vancian has blurred the reason for the distinction); one gets their power from their own physical selves, the other through being a big nerd, and the mechanics would actually...