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Maybe a comparison with the Dragon Wyrmlings would be helpful. In Fifth Edition: VarietyCRACHit PointsBiteBreath Weapon White21632 (5d8+10)+4 to hit, 7 (1d10+2) piercing & 2 (1d4) cold22 (4d10) cold, DC 12 for ½ Black21733 (6d8+6)+4 to hit, 7 (1d10+2) piercing & 2 (1d4) acid22 (5d8) acid, DC...

Guess we should talk about Hit Points and complete the pre-abilities stats. The original monster went from HD 3d8 for the White up to HD 5d8+2 for the Gold. A Small monster has d6 Hit Dice, and 3d6 to 5d6 would be too weedy. Even the basic White has more hit points than a Ghoul (HD 2d8+2 in...

I'm overwriting this post with a Gold Dragonfly so we're on the same page. That is, the Mystaran Dragonflies are on the same web page. I've got Enworld set to 20 posts per page, so I can see from post #106 to #117 without having to switch pages which makes it a lot easier to compare & edit the...

Agreed. I'd better post a Working Draft for the Gold then! So are we starting the Armor Class around 14 and giving them Evasive Flight or dropping the Evasive trait and compensating with a way higher AC? Speaking of flight, I'm having second thoughts about the initial proposal of "Speed 20...

Well I thought it over! The basic issue is BECMI has a different approach to dragons than AD&D. In BECMI, there are six basic dragons, as follows (in order of power): Mystaran Dragons  White (Neutral)  Black (Chaotic)  Green (Chaotic)  Blue (Neutral)  Red (Chaotic)  Gold (Lawful) While AD&D...

Okay, I've updated the collected Mystaran Dragonflies with some blank tables modelled on the Dragon Warriors master post. Have included placeholders for the five Metallics in the Tables of the above, but those require some thought…

Dang it, that also suggests the CR Calculator estimates for the Giant Odonatid Dragonflies might be too low. I'll run some tests with higher AC values to see what it says. Size Rank Base AC Base CR +4 AC +5 AC Dainty AC 13 CR 0 CR 1/8 CR 1/8 Diminutive AC 14 CR 1/8 CR 1/2 CR 1 Small AC...

Will we be giving them Evasive Flight like the Giant Odonatid Dragonflies? That'd make a lot of difference. A PC with +5 to hit would have a 50% chance of hitting AC 16, but with disdvantage that becomes 25%, meaning a White Mystaran Dragonfly would be as hard for them to hit as AC 21. An AC...

Will we be having the Armour Class go up by one for each color of fly? That'd top up at AC 22 for the Red Dragonfly, which feels a bit too extreme. That's the same as an Ancient Red Dragon. Maybe use the same starting AC as the Dragon Warriors, where we gave AC 16 for the White, but have it go...

Musing over the Challenge Rating and Armour Class questions I'm wondering if there's anything we can use from our Dragon Warriors conversions. Perhaps we should just start putting some stats together and see where they lead us. Let's start with the basics. I was assuming Size Type & Alignment...

For comparison, I'll post some of the Dragonflies' original statistics. StatsWhiteBlackGreenBlueRed Armor Class210–1–2 Hit Dice33+244+25 BreathCold 3Acid 3Gas 4Lightning 4Fire 5 SavesF3F3F4F4F5 Morale (BECMI)88899 Morale (AD&D)AverageAverageAverageAverageAverage XP (BECMI)355075125175 XP...

Hold on a sec… Gold Dragonflies? The Creature Catalogs and Quest for the Heartstone only have Chromatic Dragonflies, how did a Metallic sneak in? Goes off to check… …Oh yes, they're a New Monster in a Dungeon Magazine adventure. Hmm, not sure whether to do those. I'm more in favour of just...

That seems too high. The BECMI dragonflies ranged from XP 35 to XP 175 which is what, from a Giant Crab, Shadow or War Horse up to a Grizzly Bear, Gargoyle or Owlbear. None of those are Challenge 7 in Fifth Edition. A Mystaran Dragonfly is a nasty little bugger but even a Red Dragonfly is...

Mystaran Gold Dragonfly Small monstrosity, unaligned Armor Class 21 (natural armor) Hit Points 49 (11d6 + 11) Speed 20 ft., fly 50 ft. (hover) STR DEX CON INT WIS CHA 16 (+3) 19 (+4) 13 (+1) 2 (–4) 12 (+1) 12 (+1) Saving Throws DEX +6, CON +3 Skills Perception +3 Senses blindsight 10...

It was "Dragonfly" (one word), splitting it into "Dragon Fly" was my doing. The text of the monsters also has "giant dragonfly," which doesn't help much! XL1, AC9 and DMR2 all have "There are five different colors of giant dragonfly" as the start of their third sentence. The Mystaran Monstrous...

I guess the first question is… what are we calling the dang things? The original monster was simply a "Dragonfly" but that's a bit confusing if we've got a giant insect Dragonfly too. My placeholders use "Dragon Fly" but that isn't much better. Any preferences? EDIT: Oh, and I've updated the...

Mystaran Dragonfly Nymph Small monstrosity, unaligned Armor Class 14 (natural armor) Hit Points 18 (4d6 + 4) Speed 20 ft., swim 30 ft. STR DEX CON INT WIS CHA 12 (+1) 15 (+2) 13 (+1) 2 (–4) 12 (+1) 5 (–3) Saving Throws CON +3 Skills Stealth +4 Senses blindsight 10 ft., darkvision 60 ft...

Mystaran White Dragonfly Small monstrosity, unaligned Armor Class 16 (natural armor) Hit Points 21 (6d6 + 6) Speed 20 ft., fly 50 ft. (hover) STR DEX CON INT WIS CHA 12 (+0) 17 (+3) 13 (+1) 2 (–4) 12 (+1) 9 (–1) Saving Throws DEX +5, CON +3 Skills Perception +3 Senses blindsight 10 ft...

Mystaran Red Dragonfly Small monstrosity, unaligned Armor Class 20 (natural armor) Hit Points 45 (10d6 + 10) Speed 20 ft., fly 50 ft. (hover) STR DEX CON INT WIS CHA 17 (+3) 18 (+4) 13 (+1) 2 (–4) 12 (+1) 11 (+0) Saving Throws DEX +6, CON +3 Skills Perception +3 Senses blindsight 10 ft...

Mystaran Green Dragonfly Small monstrosity, unaligned Armor Class 18 (natural armor) Hit Points 36 (8d6 + 8) Speed 20 ft., fly 50 ft. (hover) STR DEX CON INT WIS CHA 14 (+2) 17 (+3) 13 (+1) 2 (–4) 12 (+1) 11 (+0) Saving Throws DEX +5, CON +3 Skills Perception +3 Senses blindsight 10...