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From an investor viewpoint, you don't have to be shovelling money, but a fan that does not result in some money coming in somehow (and there is always an angle to get a fan to spend money, whether it's just a sticker, a t-shirt, begging a friend to make an account and then seeing ads that pay...

I think the general agreement (even from me) is that there are more players (or fans, however one wants to put it) of D&D today than there were of the past. The disagreement comes in how many players/fans there actually are. And yes, we've spend 10 pages discussing whether that 85 million...

I don't know. I only know my numbers are derived more from how many have played (and the 1:5 ratio has a good backing all the way back to 2000. It was estimated that the average group was 5 players, a DM with 4 Others playing PCs. Encounters, Challenge Ratings, Experience...etc...have all been...

If we use my definitions from earlier, it does not necessarily mean players. It means those who are avid, excited, participants of the hobby. That could mean anything from players, to those who read the novels, to those who simply participate in other ways that support the hobby. From an...

It depends. If they had 50 million fans...1/3 of 50 is 16.666 approx million fans. Average price of a movie ticket ranges around 11-16 USD...which we'll say is around 13 (probably more on the low side than not, I'd say it is probably more around 14 or 15 for a median...but we are giving it...

That's an article from Sept 2024 and appears to be using more akin to my numbers. Or is the idea that they increased the number of fans by 35 million in a matter of 3-4 months (time when the Beyond article seems to have been posted which was Dec. 2024). Those numbers don't seem to add up...or...

Yes. This is where the PR fails for investors. If only 50% of those fans had just gone to their D&D HaT movie just once!...they would have made 200 million. Thats without even the general public, or anyone else going! As per their numbers. Their fans definitely are not as avid of fans...

Well, that's a very vague statement...but if that's what they are claiming (85 million)... I'll beat them in the markets (already have, decreased HAS holdings, though still have some, and invested in better investments). I'll stand by my numbers and let the fans of theirs believe blindly...

Read the thread again. There have been. In theory even you, if you argued that my statement that I did not think there were 80 million current D&D fans (which has been what everyone has had a problem with) and stated that I must be wrong...then yes, that would even include you. (if you are...

I never was. Did you not read my original post. That's lifetime fans. I calculated the number. I've calculated the numbers for over 5 years now from 40 million to present. I stated if anything, it had to be fans over the lifetime of D&D...from the start. I said it was impossible that 80...

That's great...were you also there during the 1e years and the 2e years? Or are you just basing that off of 5e? I don't think you have any idea how large it was in Japan back then comparetively, and if you are the average age of those in business, I'd say you probably were not invested...

Source. I have not seen this from them. They have not addressed it in investor calls as yet either, that I can tell. They have not addressed it in investor meetings as far as I can tell. MtG only has 50 million as a solid number they've given, and you are stating current fans are greater...

You know, I'm one of the ones who puts together estimates and people arguing against my reasoning are using my own estimates to argue against me? It's absolutely ironically funny. Also, I have no idea where that 80 million number came from. Was there some press release recently that claimed...

No, read it again. I hate to repeat myself. However as you are insultingly refusing to address what I actually said and are trying to put out a strawman... In summary, I said 30 million watched the world series (game) to a maximum of 50 million with 15 to 16 million of those on average in the...

In the US and the UK...sure. In Japan (where I have visited in both eras) absolutely not, and that applies to several other areas as well I visit regularly as well. In fact, in some areas where TSR had a presence back to the 90s even (where D&D was having a lot less impact later on in that...

What in the world are you on about? Where in my post that you quoted did I even hint at that? Please reread the post and adjust appropriately rather than trying to claim things I didn't even bring up in that post. (especially as I was far more explicit and detailed in how it was stated).

It was extremely popular. I would estimate that 1e was more popular in general over the entire world, but 5e probably has a higher number of players than 1e ever had. I would also say that 5e is more popular in English speaking nations than 1e, but 1e had a broader reach into the non-English...

I have put out the way that some of this is figured out, and how I do numbers is that there are 5 fans/players for every PHB put out. This means that if we estimate that 5 million PHB's and Red boxes (and then account for overlap, because there definately was overlap) of AD&D you could have...

I don't think people are reading what I put down in an analytical way. Let's put it in an easier way for people to understand... There were an average of over 30 million who watched each game of the world series. The maximum any game had of those who watched were 50 million. An average of...

I've pointed out the numbers. People are arguing that there are more fans than the population of the UK, of Nintendo in the 80s and early 90s, of Playstation during the late 90s and the 00s, etc when they argue that there are currently 80 million D&D fans. Even now, they are arguing that...