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Now correct me if I'm wrong, but books 19 and 20 were already printed as collectors edition almost a decade ago...so these are a different, new, version of a collectors edition? With the same illustrations as the Definitive editions (which came out at the same time) but with a slightly...

To quote myself...and to those who are not the hardcore fans who somehow stumble across this thread... I present the last few pages of this thread as evidence of the exact thing I stated would happen.

Addendum: They infrequently release numbers publicly. Edit: Something that greatly muddies the waters however, with the 2024 release is that a great many of those sales were overlaps. This means that for the first few months (if not the first year) the majority of the books sold were to...

I can agree to that Disagree with this one. I know several that have never played D&D but have DDB accounts for example, just in my personal circle. So, If I understand you correctly, Your assumption is that there are more fans out there than those that have DDB accounts. I would not have a...

There are fans that are not players of D&D. There are those that bought the rulebooks (4e would be a great example of this) that are definately NOT fans of D&D. Many of the fans (which were more numerous previously) would be those who were avid fans of books series such as Dragonlance or the...

5 Million of the current edition? Or 5 million of 5e? Indications seem to say that 4.8 (I should indicate this is the number I saw, I cannot seem to find the corroborating evidence online to back this up currently though) million 5e PHB's were sold as per the last hard evidence we saw (perhaps...

Those who played 3e started anywhere from 10 on up. An average age of 15 at the time put's them at 40 today. The average college age (20) would put most at 45. Edit: and obviously, those who played TSR editions will be older than that. Many of those of this generation are not as avid in...

I'm not certain I follow your logic...at all...but...okay?

I'll use AI for this one... Wikipedia link Fan (Person) For money making purposes, a fanbase can be an important number to guesstimate in order to get a feel on how much money you can make off of something. This is also essential when looking at companies on the stock exchange and for...

Where do you get this 1:5 ratio? The only 1:5 ratio I've seen is in relation to PHB's sold to possible player base. Even under that the Player base is maxing out at 25 million for the most popular version of D&D (meaning no one has multiple PHB's...etc). Edit: And to be clear, I think I was...

18 Million, or 19 million indicates less than 50 million to me. If we go with low numbers (people who played back in the 80s and 90s and are too old and senile to really get into all these digital signups...than I could possibly beleive numbers less than 40 million but greater than 35 million...

I didn't care for it all that much. It was more collecting items with the emphasis on the more items the better your chances of success. It didn't really capture the RPG feeling. For a cooperative game that feels more like an RPG campaign (and has a campaign that can last for dozens if not...

No, but you were relating numbers viewing Baseball's last Championship 30 million vs. a lot more fans as per your statements, as well as Playstations digital signups vs. sales (120 vs. 85M+) which indicates that digital signups and indications of those items should be far higher than listed...

I can get behind that idea.

So, by that logic, D&D Beyond should have at LEAST over 100 million Beyond accounts...right? I only asked for half of that number...but by your metrics that you are telling me...The hard evidence is even more skewed and pointing to less than 20 million fans...much less 50 to 80 million. Once...

Baseballs world series was viewed by a little more than 30 million people. We are talking about the Playstation 3 (which had doom and gloom all over it by many at the time). We are talking about Nintendo in the 80s and early 90s...which yes, had a large number of fans. However, with these...

I was referring to how it was going to be viewed by some people, which is that this means current players (or, if you want, we can go to current fans). Remember that little thing I asked about Nintendo. Do you really think there are more fans of D&D currently than the entire population of the...

You can sometimes find them on another service. I recently did (I think I stumbled across it, as I have all the DVDs I wasn't interested in it though), but I can't remember which one it was (Roku?? Tubi??? Maybe Pluto??). If you have Amazon, it may be there for purchase.

I pointed out the fallacy of numbers, but people ignored that and felt those numbers were current players...and people drank that idea like soup. It's preposterous that the number could be anything other than how many have played D&D over it's lifetime (from it's start to now)..otherwise...

So, on the updates it appears that they now have it being completed and is expected to ship (I won't say exactly when, because things happen, but I'd say absolutely sometime this year, and most likely in the first half of the year).