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I really hope so. It is a huge shame there is no ogf-l equivalent this time around for 3PPs to make their voices heard above the general noise and to raise the specific concerns they have, with a helpful WotC representative on hand to answer questions.

Mostly, it's a worry that they will attempt to exercise those private law powers over things that we actually do have a legal right to do. In the past, they have not been openly hostile, have been very cooperative with 3PPs, and 20+ years of them doing nothing hostile in relation to OGL 1.0a...

I believe I know how to do it (see example above). I would prefer a clear statement from them with an example of how they understand the license appendix to a work will look when it combines SRD content under 1.2 with 3PP content released under 1.0a, and make it clear they are absolutely fine...

I personally agree with everything you said in this post. My worry since all this began was that any attempt to resist any change to 1.0a would gradually turn into a bargaining game between "us" and "them" with it eventually reaching a point where the number of "us" thrown under the bus would...

I think the issue here is that we're afraid they may try and act like one anyway ;) I'm mostly happy that I have this OGL 1.2/1.0a mix nailed. My main concern is that WotC will not agree and will try and sue anyway, with the most likely result being me being unable to stand up to them and...

Okay, I'd missed that "to publish SRD content". It'd be better if they said "to publish OUR SRD content", but reading it that way does carry the implication they are restricting that comment to their own content. I agree with you 100% that they are unable to affect agreements between other...

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I agree they don't claim it directly. They are however making claims that put together with the text of 1.2 have an uncomfortable level of implication. 1) They claim they are deauthorizing 1.0a. They do not specifically state "instances of 1.0a between us and you", but 1.0a as a whole...

While I'm in a similar boat, I'm also making sure I keep an eye out for any other 1.2 pitfalls in the event they do fix the OGC-between-3PPs issue. I'd hate to pull the trigger on 1.2 just to realise there's a whole different set of traps waiting behind that one (and at this point, it's pretty...

Yeah. That irrevocable thing, with various clauses that still allow them to terminate at-will ;) Meanwhile, they do not appear to be able to terminate, revoke, deauthorize, or otherwise affect in any way whatsoever an agreement using the OGL where a third party is the downstream licensor to the...

Something I realised last night. 1.0a's viral nature didn't just provide a tidy mechanism for rolling all OGC creators into section 15 on a single license. It also meant your licensor(s) were the producers of the products you were using directly. If I understand correctly, you had no license...

They may be waiting to see what the terms of ORC are before making a commitment to it, which I can't really blame them for. Meanwhile they need a usable license today.

Hardly, for the majority of creators their new license arrangements still take far more than they give, while the ORC looks to restore most of the status quo other than the ability to cut+paste text from WotCs SRDs. In fact, it's arguable that we might actually end up with more than before by...

And you know, there's a commonly-used trick to get around the viral nature of Open Source licensing that applies here. Hypothetical: I'm writing a VTT, but want to include some functionality from an open-source library that requires anything using it also be open-sourced. I do not wish to...

The only thing that possibly makes sense would be if the OGL parts were only a small part of the movie, with the rest being their "Product Identity". They would also, of course, have to deal with the more practical problem of how to provide the Open Game Content they are reusing in a...

Exactly this. As I just posted in another thread, you can't consider 1.2 a version of the same thing as 1.0a, the mechanisms just aren't there to support its use as "any acceptable version." It's an OGL in name only. I'm now convinced this is by design. OGL 1.0a allowed a licensee to...

I'm not sure how we can use 1.2 for including works by 3PPs released under 1.0a. For one, it's a grant direct from WotC to us, with no viral component that sublicenses the content to the next reader. Secondly, there's no equivalent to Section 15 where we list the other works we're using. It's...

Any terms - but not under 1.2 itself, as there's so much WotC and SRD-specific text in it. You could go through and edit it into your own, similar, version, yes, stripping out all kinds of inapplicable bits here and there and changing references. You certainly couldn't just pile up multiple...

Damn I remember playing that game. Was so amazed to hear Sir Patrick Stewart's voice at the start, then Sean Bean a bit further in. Was probably only the second game I'd played that had gone to the expense of actual famous people in it (the first being Wing Commander 3)

By Grabthar's hammer, you shall be avenged OGL 1.0a!