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So the players get to determine what kind of game the DM runs? Not so much player agency as players bullying the DM. How come no one talks about DM agency?

These comments come off as confrontational to me. Thank you for playing.

I read a lot of stuff on these forums that make me ask….what game is everyone playing?!? 😉

I guess my disbelief in the differentiation comes from this… As a player it would never occur to me to not want to do what the DM presented. If I don’t want to do what the DM is offering; that’s it…the game is over. As a DM I present an elevator pitch for a game I’m prepping and people...

So at any given moment; this kind of game can turn into that kind of game. Which is less about player agency and more about players breaking the social contract. I find that terms like “sandbox” and “player agency” are very pretentious. But who am I right? Is it player agency to screw the...

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So now aka yourself…if there are linear narratives IN the sandbox…is it still a sandbox? This isn’t a confrontational series of questions. I’m trying to learn where the lines blur and does the fact that they can blur make them meaningless.

Players eventually have to do something that the DM has planned. 3 choices or 100 choices….in the long run…DMs provide an encounter. I don’t know….are there games out there where the DM just lets the players roll on random tables for what comes next? For the players to have a choice in what...

If we must use the term “definition”. No. This is wrong. Sandbox requires the DM to run encounters in no particular order. Allowing the PCs to roam the country side at will. Or…what do you guys want to do today? Linear requires the PCs to follow some kind of prescribed order. Or…mom gave...

So regardless of what you call it; sandbox or linear…both are just different ways of allowing the illusion of player agency as it pertains to what direction they are going in. Regardless of what we call it; in the end…the players rely on the DM to engage them in the encounters that are run to...

They’re pretty complicated. Lots of…words and…language….definitions and derivations. 🤓

I’d be hard pressed to label my play style myself. But as we all know; good fences make good neighbors so labels do have their value I suppose.

You insinuating that I don’t understand is offensive to me. I’m kidding; I’ve never been offended by anything. My question really is simply(but probably not simple at all), at what point does a linear game with multiple possible lines become a sandbox? And also…if all of the encounters in...

This touches on my question. If there are different kinds of sandboxes….can’t anything be considered a sand box? If my plan is to run an AP….and during that AP the party decides to make a left (when the literature wants them to go right) and engage in another AP farther down the road…..isn’t...

I can say anything about anything and it might insult someone. You’d have to ask yourself why my opinion means anything to you at all. I’m just trying to discover if “sandbox” is just what we call more option. At what point does not sandbox become sandbox? And if there is no line of...

I get that the players have options. My “argument” is that regardless of the order of encounters, the DM still has to prepare those encounters right? So a sandbox is just an expression? I don’t force players to do anything in any order; but I still have encounters prepared so we can…encounter...

I don’t play video games. Even if the encounters are engaged “out of order” aren’t some encounters not encountered until previous encounters are? So sandbox games are just…less linear?

In the end; the DM still has to prepare and run encounters though right? Encounters that have something to do with the greater game at large I suppose. So I stand by my statement. Are sandbox style games really just 100% randomly improvised encounters shoe horned together?

Sandbox play is a lie. In the end the players always end up doing what the DM presents. There….i said it. 🤗

It warms my soul that people are arguing about the rules for hide and seek. 😂