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not really, these were suggestions for how they could play a tortle. Given that playing a tortle was the initial idea, nothing was being compromised

that was tried a few times and the answer was ‘to play a tortle’, at which point there is no compromise possible and the player is out. It probably didn’t help that no one insisting on playing a tortle did so because they actually wanted to play one but only did so for the sake of the argument

of course they are, but that is true for both sides and if there is no common ground, then the player is not in the DM's campaign

show me your tortle here..., also, about 25% is very much an easy fraction

These are all just FR by another name, none of these are bespoke settings a DM is running. I was referring to the Mystara products with tortles, and yes, even the 5e charity product is pretty obscure in reality. Monsters of the Multiverse is probably the first appearance for 90% of players...

The kitchen sink setting (e.g. FR) isn't, that is why they have their own, the game mechanics might suit that custom setting well enough however No, the players choose among the available options of the setting, or there will be some kind of discussion about how their idea fits in. Just because...

they were not that rare when the character chose it :D

but I want to be a tortle ;)

if the DM has objections then yes, otherwise no, same as with the turtle if you are not needing to find a compromise, sure, and by that same logic the DM not wanting them is sufficient reason to not allow them

no, haven’t played this. As to why, because it is the best they got, because one player convinced two more but the remaining two find it unconvincing and would acquit as part of a jury, because they know there is no real answer and have fun with something silly, plenty of options

what relevance has turtle here, why is wise old dwarf druid not filling that niche basically about as well? that cuts both ways, if you are so insistent on playing that turtle that you leave your group over it, then yeah, you did not really consider them friends either

I have no idea what that is

put anything not relevant for combat outside the stat block, I do not care whether you agree with calling that part fluff or not, that is missing the point

they could live in the sewers of the city and be trained by a wererat ;)

I don’t think you ever gave us a reason for why you want to play one, it just was ‘but I want to’. It’s not our fault that we have no idea about your motivation 🤷

not sure I would consider an armed occupation to be tolerated

they mostly are, put the fluff outside the stat block

unconvincing to the players, most players have no audience so I would not worry about that. If the players make an unconvincing case but the die roll says ‘this is the correct solution’ I do find that somewhat unsatisfying, but I guess it is in line with Agatha Christie’s answers to how it was...

yes, but that description is based on its mechanics no disagreement here, I did not mean to imply that it therefore fails at being a good mystery solving game probably accurate, it ultimately is about the same things

none, but actual investigations tend to have actual persons doing a specific thing in a specific way and either the investigators discover this, or they fail. In the absence of an actual murder to investigate the equivalent would be for the GM to set up a predetermined mystery / crime for the...