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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    So this looks like the summary I asked for earlier. Sure, and the point I’ve been making is that player agency has two broad types: character agency and meta-agency. Both are components of player agency. What I’m doing is distinguishing how different systems emphasize these two types to...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I tried following your part of the thread but it is so chopped up with quotes and replies it was hard to follow. So if @Maxperson or yourself could provide a summary I will be glad to comment. This leapt out at me. Also this is probably not related why you asked for my opinion. Going from...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    The rest of your reply does not engage with what I actually said. It mostly rephrases my position into something easier to dismiss and avoids addressing the structure of the argument. You corrected me on who brought up Blackmoor, as if that changes the fact that you used early dungeon play as...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    What I am doing is isolating the parts of your response that add something new or ask a direct question, and respond clearly to those points. First, the claim that “there is no world that exercises causal potency.” That’s not a small clarification. That’s a complete rejection of the idea that a...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    At one point up thread I asked @pemerton whether my living world campaign was a railroad (his definition), at first he evaded the question, and then said he didn't have enough information. So 🤷‍♂️
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    If what I quoted doesn't explain all the nuances, then by all means, explain and show us the original text so we can verify its accuracy. At this point I am not going to accept your word that something is true about Burning Wheel without you providing proper citations.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I believe the readers of the thread now have the information to arrive at their own conclusions on the accuracy of @AlViking statement. Rather than just taking your word for it.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I want to be clear about what I have been saying, because at this point you keep insisting I am wrong while describing exactly what I am talking about. The distinction I make between character agency and meta-agency is not about players stepping outside the fiction to co-author the story. It is...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Thank You now I can answer your questions. In Burning Wheel, whether an Intent+Task is an example of character agency or meta-agency depends on whether the declared intent respects world logic. Burning Wheel prioritizes success above all. The rules are clear: a successful roll means the intent...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I believe it from Burning Wheel but somebody familiar with the system should explain it so we understand all the naunces.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    The “we skedaddle” example is a player describing what their characters are doing in the moment, in response to the immediate situation. That is character agency. It’s tied directly to what is happening in the fiction and is resolved as part of play. What I am distinguishing is this: when a...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Your examples only show the declaration, which is character agency. To give a full answer I need the rules for the how the action is resolved.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    You say you’re only talking about character agency, but the systems you reference, Burning Wheel, Torchbearer, and 4e D&D, rely on structured procedures that constrain the referee. These games give players control that extends beyond just acting as their characters. They also allow players to...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    No, that’s not doing something as your character. Declaring goals to the referee is a player-level action. Your character doesn’t know the game has a referee. The moment you step outside the fiction to discuss intent or negotiate outcome, you’re no longer acting as the character, you’re acting...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Pemerton, you’ve repeatedly accused me of mischaracterizing your views. I disagree. What I’ve done is analyze your arguments using a framework I developed to clarify the distinctions you often blur or treat as interchangeable. You may not agree with how I categorize things, but that is not...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    It depends on the specifics of how actions are declared. To answer I will need the specific rules in question.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    yes. It is not a consequence of acting as their character. But something they are doing as a player in the campaign.
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