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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I used to think, but I remember that the point is to let the players choices drive the campaign. Not choosing or rather not being proactive, is just as much of a valid choice as any other. Some players, some groups have more fun when they place their characters under orders. Is that a...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Let’s just say I’ve noticed that the quality of roleplaying tends to drop when Charm Person or other mind control spells come into play. While I still include those spells in my Majestic Fantasy Realms, I keep this in mind when writing up their effects. I also avoid mechanics that require...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I've run into this myself, even when I worked with them on the initial context of their characters. While not 100%, I’ve found that the solution is to remember they’re not statues, but people in the setting. So eventually, someone, roleplayed by me, will interact with them. The exact situation...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    So I’m throwing this into the discussion of player agency: what’s everyone’s view on the structure of Dave Arneson’s original Blackmoor campaign? Specifically, I’m referring to the earliest phase, before the creation of the Blackmoor Dungeons, where, from what I understand, there weren’t many...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    As I explained upthread RPG are not games in a conventional sense. The application of game theory has limited value because there's an entire layer of agency in TTRPGs that isn’t present in most other games, specifically, what players can do solely as their characters. Thus giving rise to my...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I use metagaming but I acknowledge it is loaded term because of it association with cheating. Perhaps meta agency is the better way to describe what I getting at in the future without bringing extra baggage. The idea crystalized me for when it was pointed out there is a difference between...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    That’s where the issue lies,your approach places everything into what I would call the second category: metagame agency Meta Agency. In doing so, it ends up being more limited than mine. The reason is that RPGs aren’t games in the conventional sense. Game theory has only narrow application to...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Not sure why, you seem to be knowledgeable about what constitutes classic railroading. That's because I explained this multiple times upthread and I am pretty sure you replied to one of my posts where I talked about that and we had a discussion about it. Yes, it often includes a randomizer...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    That easy using spy equipment to listen to the opposing sideline discussing strategy and calling plays.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    You're operating with your definition of agency within the context of tabletop roleplaying. There’s no authoritative source for what "player agency" means, only competing interpretations offered by RPG designers and commentators. Honestly, we haven’t even reached consensus on what a tabletop...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    In my Living World sandbox campaign, judgment and technique are interwoven. When my players question a decision, I can’t just say, “Well, that’s what would logically happen.” I have to walk them through my line of reasoning to show how I reached that conclusion. What I do is an application of...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    "No, there's only one type of agency we're talking about. It's that of the player playing the game. Player agency." This is not a neutral statement. It is stated dispassionately but not neutrally.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    That doesn’t change the fact that I use specific techniques to run a World in Motion campaign. Those techniques fundamentally differ from a referee saying, “I’m deciding this because I feel like it,” without any justification. Nor does it mean that someone like yourself must appreciate my...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    And that’s your opinion, not @AlViking’s, and not mine. If you view that as the gold standard, great for you. But it’s not the case for others. Your views make sense within that framework, so I understand what you're saying. Just don’t expect agreement from those who don’t share your premise...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    And it forms part of the appeal of this type of campaign. Players like the challenge it represents.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Look, irreconcilable assumptions mean we see each other’s viewpoints as incompatible, only one can be true. If I’m correct that the standard of agency is not absolute, then you’re incorrect. If you’re right that it is absolute, then I’m the one who’s wrong. But that’s okay, because now we...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Understandable. I'll be straight with you, that’s not how I would phrase it, it simplifies what I actually do. That said, I’ve often stated elsewhere that people need to write this stuff down in a way that makes sense to them. So it’s good enough for me, with some reservations. As for those...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Well, there's your answer. You believe there is an absolute scale of agency, and I don’t. While I hesitate to speak for others, it seems to me that many of those you’re debating with share my viewpoint as well. I apologize if this sounds rude, but given that difference of opinion, is there much...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Yes, this effect is an important part of the appeal of this campaign style for the players. But what you didn’t note is that the whole thing also acts as a feedback loop,which, way back upthread, was something I was trying to illustrate with my “hometown example.” Forgetting the initial...
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