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The art of compromise is to.get other people to agree with you and feel good about it. I never got an actual answer to my question: if I DO give up my Tortle, what is in it for me? If you say "a seat at the table" that was part of the initial pitch, I have my seat thank you. So let's play a...

Ouch. I'm not a fan of one species games in general. If the DM was trying to do Vampire: that Dark Ages using 5e rules, i'd question why they are using D&D and not Storyteller. But if the DM was interested in augmenting the limited species with a larger selection of classes and such (things...

I kinda want to know how, if tortles are supposedly as rare and unknown as the DM says, the ranger specializing in Tortle hunting came from...

Yes. That said, I'm glad that rangers have moved from the wilder-nazi style of favored enemy that encouraged that kind of design. I don't like PvP, so anything that encourages interparty conflict is ok to go the way of the dodo.

So the players were mad his character was ineffective? I guess its true that its Rude to Suck at WoW, but that highlights a certain mentality. If, for example, the 4e play had rolled ability scores and rolled poorly (like, nothing above a 14) would it be fair to make him re-roll until he was...

That fine. I'm pretty sure your game would be too narrow and hemmed in for me anyway. I'd be a museum tourist allowed to look-but-don't-touch because anything that ruins your fun would get me booted.

Its actually ironic, I don't have a tortle PC idea. I was using it because it was the original example. That said, I am DYING to play dhampir bloodmage (wizard with the blood wizardly from Taldorei Reborn) for a while now, but the curse of being a Forever DM means the character sits in my ideas...

I always question this line of thinking. I used to run my own homebrew for a while and I can tell you with 100% certainty I did NOT flesh out my world to such a degree that I could not add new options (PC or monster) if I so chose. Why would you do so? You lock your world into a finite state so...

I think that's where the "compromise" framing falls apart. I am look for a compromise of "How can I play the character I want in a way that won't upset your world-building", which I have given several options from mutant to magical creation to super-rare species previously unknown to "came off a...

The question asked was "what is my motivation besides I want to". It doesn't matter why I want to. My motivation is neither sinister nor malevolent. The reason I wanted to play him was because the muses inspired that concept in my head. The question is what, if anything, can be done to...

Do I need to justify why I want to be a wizard instead of a fighter?. Do I need to justify why my character is an elf to play one? Because it interests me is sufficient enough motivation, unless you are going to force me to justify in writing why I made every decision on my character sheet...

Why can't Kreko Kegshatter be a human? Why can't your orc be a halfling who was raised by elves? Why can't all of those characters be represented by a human fighter?

The primary reason I can think of is that I got the idea for a wise old turtle druid and I don't know when, if ever, I will get to play him. Maybe I saw a character from a movie who inspired me. Maybe I found a cool mini or picture online. Maybe I really like turtles and I'm bored or elves and...

I don't think in all the years of D&D I've really seen a player become upset with another players character like that. Because the character was a jerk maybe, but not because the character was a specific species. And not to the point the player is affected. I've seen racist PCs (dwarves who hate...

But that's not why I would want to be a Tortle. You are assigning me a motivation I don't have. If you think it's just about the AC, you have absolutely missed the point. I want the aesthetics of the species. The mechanics is second. To say "play a dwarf in plate" is to basically say "be a human...

But that's not what was happening. You aren't obligated to eat any of the caviar, just like you aren't obligated to play or tortle or make them a major part of game. Just like the guy who brought caviar and enjoys it himself, the tortle player could be just content being his turtle dude and...

What compromise have I been offered? I've been offered "play what I (them DM) allow" or the door, because there are dozens of other players waiting for my spot at the table. That's not a compromise, that's an ultimatum.

SO MUCH THIS.

So you'd be a jerk about it. And then you have the audacity to tone police me? I'm sorry a tortle killed your family.

No it doesn't. No more so than my wanting to play a tortle demands everyone else play tortles or the DM to fill his world with tortle villains and empires. A tortle village on the edge of the swamp is no different than a tin of caviar on the table next to the veggie tray.