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There's no actual specific guidance about older subclasses (unlike older species and backgrounds, which get a sidebar). Older subclasses would get resolved the way you describe from the wording of the feature, as far as I can tell. At level 3, you get the subclass feature, not earlier. I think...

The unseen attacker rules are gone. And I believe, given the text and context of Hide, it is primarily geared towards combat, or placing an ambush. Noncombat hiding would just be a regular stealth check. I agree though, that unintentional absurdity results one way or another RAW.

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As long as you remain unseen, you get the advantages specified in the Invisibility condition. I.e., you stay behind the cover or in the darkness, or you move out in a way so you are not in the enemy's line of sight. Then you get all the goodies. What takes away the benefits of the condition is...

I totally agree. The rules are a mess, and hidden and invisible should have been broken out into two things. Regarding the PHB, I was one of the lucky jerks who got one at GenCon, and I have read it cover to cover. I didn't find anything to fix our collective quandary. Either Hide is messed up...

THAT is actually, in my opinion, the greater problem presented by the 2024 rules. Hidden actually makes more sense than the spell does. I would home rule that the Invisibility granted by the spell is your typical fantasy invisibility, aka translucent. I would add text to the spell that says, "a...

On that, we agree!

I actually agree--I think the Invisibility spell is the greater problem RAW than the Hide rules

THAT is actually, in my opinion, the greater problem presented by the 2024 rules. Hidden actually makes more sense than the spell does. I would home rule that the Invisibility granted by the spell is your typical fantasy invisibility, aka translucent. I would add text to the spell that says, "a...

There's nothing in the text of the Invisible condition that says you cannot be seen by normal vision.

There's nothing in the text of the Invisibility condition that says you cannot be seen.

There's been some debate about the Hide action and the Invisible condition. Basically, when you succeed on a DC 15 stealth check in three-quarters cover or heavily obscured, you get the Invisible condition. The text states that it ends when you make a sound louder than a whisper, an enemy finds...

In fact, the text of the Invisible condition specify that "You aren't affected by any effect that requires its target to be seen unless the effect's creator can somehow see you." Also, "Attack rolls against you have Disadvantage, and your attack rolls have Advantage. If a creature can somehow...

This is a reversal of cause and effect. New D&D "Invisible" does not mean "cannot be seen." It only means "unseen." Too see something invisible means it is no longer invisible. In fact, the text of the Invisible condition even contemplates something with the Invisible condition being seen.

Why are people assuming that the new Search action is the only way for an enemy to "find you?" It's not. It's one way, but there are plenty of others. The rule only says "Make a note of your check's total, which is the DC for a creature to find you with a Wisdom (perception) check." An enemy...

Advantage on any saving throw you make to end the grappled condition. To me, this is probably a straight-up error in the Goliath entry. Ending the grappled condition is a check, not a saving throw, in the new rule (which is good for folks with proficiency in athletics or acrobatics). I don't...

Feats seem to be baked into the rules now, and multiclassing is the same (optionality-wise).