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You're happy for CAGI as originally written to be a full official part of the game? And for full unabashed official support of narrativism in the main rulebooks?

Well, I agree with you, but that's not the world we live in, and if it was we wouldn't even have a 3e to preserve against 4e.

Why do people who want to stick with the old edition need to buy the new edition? What's the point of a new edition other than to do new things? Every significant edition change has left some people behind and brought some people in. Is 5e obliged to bring in 4e style warlords and Come and Get...

Why not? Why can't the ice cream maker decide to serve only strawberry now?

No idea, but I'm confident I can guess correctly

I only like chocolate ice cream, every meal I eat is chocolate ice cream, anyone that ever eats any other kind of food is morally suspect, I'm not even sure that non- 'chocolate ice cream' counts as real food, any advert that isn't for chocolate ice cream is bullying, any restaurant that doesn't...

Named after a song by the English band Electronic!

How many British people are in this Brits thread? (I'm British btw)

I know, ain't no-one got time for that.

I'm sure neither of us want to re-litigate the Come and Get It wars of 2008-2010, so let's move on soon, but you could argue that the character does have a diegetic ability inside the fiction - they know how to manipulate opponents so they approach them in battle. The form that manipulation...

I had a lot of fun with 4e. For most of it I played a fighter with Come and Get It, which I thought was a fantastic power both thematically and in actual play. Whenever I used it, I came up with an in-character rationale for why the enemies were briefly drawn to me. I remember once CAGI'ing some...

'No, no, all the edition changes that sidelined other people's playstyles were fine, it's only the one that sidelined my playstyle that was bad!'

You might be. I am not.

Please name an RPG that does not replicate fictional characters into a statblock. You introduced the notion that the replication would be perfect in this post. It was not part of the discussion before.

it was an understated monty python reference, just trying to lean into the thread premise :-)

This isn't the right room for an argument

I think an important thing that happens in this space is that people use their own imagination to fill in the gaps between and around the mechanics. What sometimes gets painted as a failure of the mechanics to reflect the fictional reality is quite often a refusal or inability to do that work by...

I think 4e probably was a notch further along on this than older editions, but only one notch. The unforgivable crime that 4e committed was just being honest and clear about it.

Tipping it down earlier

Oh FFS not another hit points debate ;-)