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What's your problem... seriously. Im discussing a game and my experiences with it as a counterpoint to an argument put forth by another poster.. its called discussion. You come in all aggressive, attribute a stance to me I didn't take and now you come at me with more aggression because... I...

But powers can change, help or hinder various actions as can class abilities... Edit: Isnt this the same for 5e... 1d20 + skill mod?

I wasnt the one insinuating DnD stunts one's ability to improv, it was the insinuation I got and was arguing against in @Neonchameleon earlier post. Not sure how you arrived at that being my stance... Yes you can ask soft questions and I can use my own ideas...no one's arguing against that...

Very little of the crunch in 5e, especially at 1st level has to be player facing. 5e runs perfectly fine with the DM being the interface and arbitrator for most of, if not all of, the rules. If the only improv you're having players do is asking... "What do you do?" and/or answering connection...

Disagree... I think for shy or reserved new players(and yes I've seen this first hand) the demand of instant improv and being put on the spot is uncomfortable and at times a deterrent which can actually lead to them feeling rpg's aren't for them. Im not sure where the idea that everyone...

The thing I wonder is why? I get maybe it was space considerations but I also feel like there may also be market considerations at play... Even the AoU live play by CR leaned heavily into trad play. I just wonder if that isn't sending a mixed message to publishers and players.

Yes but this is your advertisement for the game... this is where you sell people on how it plays, if you dont then you're setting expectations incorrectly and you end up with an audience that leans more towards the traditional style of play... which I think has happened with DH to a point.

I just think its hard period, regardless of length and its easier and more profitable to give people a trad AP with a few narrative sprinklings (like those in the quickstart) vs. an AP that actually is written for DH's play paradigms. Don't get me wrong I hope someone does step up to the...

Yes I've been mod'ing my encounters and I've gotten to where I can kinda hit the challenge level my group enjoys but the small number of adversaries and especially AoU specific ones definitely makes this a pain point. Wait...what? So these are encounters that should be forcing them to rest...

But if your complaint is about challenge, neither seems to offer a solution with single or small # of encounters without tweaking. Over the longterm DnD says do this many encounters and attrition will create a challenging encounter... DH seems to say eventually there will be a famine of...

So why wasnt the quick start different in the ways you list? This is the intro for deciding whether this game is right for you and it displays none of the differences you listed above.

I agree... I just find it funny that in general its looked at as a negative fo DnD but its ignored, hardwaved away, a gm should fix it issue, etc. for DH... on top of it being an encounter difficulty vs day difficulty system (which feels like it should be easier to balance). Im running an A of...

I would bet it looked very similar to a DnD style AP (but with narrative building questions that have little actual impacr sprinkled through it)... I mean we have a quick start that is the exact same style as a DnD or PF quick starr why would an AP be different?

Im trying to stay away from bashing daggerheart in a positive thread and ai want 5o make it clear that I am still playing and enjoying it, but a few quick ones are... Flight... There are multiple ways to get it at Tier 1 and yet both advice and rules for dealing with it are nearly non-existent...

I think the orders for their second book are going to be much more indicative of whether Daggerheart has staying power or not. Im still enjoying running Daggerheart but there is definitely a feeling of the honeymoon phase wearing off and some of its problems (at least for my particular group)...

The backlash for CO was pretty rough at the time so im pretty sure if not the main reason it was a gigantic contributing factor.

Discussion of almost any ttrpg game can be found somewhere on the internets... not sure that discussion alone is a ringing endorsement for DP still supporting it...

Regardless the perception was that it was abandoned... CO could have used a supplement or 2 to give it more replayability especially when it came to character types, the rules could have used another iteration/edition and the system was supposed to be used for numerous games and wasn't touched...

While I've already pre-ordered and am positive overall on DH... let's not act like there wasn't a DP game before this called Candella Obscura which has been left dead in the water...

Eh... in the software world that's actually pretty quick turnaround for something they didn't originally plan to implement.