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It’s trivial to do classless PC design if needed, and generally players are content to use the core class mechanics. And I’m very upfront that the classes the PCs are using are only a fraction of the classes that exist in the multiverse, and plenty of NPCs break class boundaries because of...

Yes, but that's because the metagame constructs of class and level aren't actually laws binding the fiction. They're tools to provide a game element to character creation.

We've both posted in these threads for years. You're perfectly aware that I'm presenting my opinion as opinion. None of us are strangers here.

It's one reason I try to make a habit of NOT learning what the other players' stats are if at all possible. (Granted, you'll usually figure out their highest stat over the course of play because so many more rolls are made using it.) What the player and their character bring to the fiction is...

Well, yes, but that's because you think modeling is a prerequisite for engaging RPG play. I do not share that viewpoint.

I mean, my general expectation (and what I do for my own 5e characters) is that a low stat (generally anything at <=7) will have some kind of explanation behind it. But, the only thing that Intelligence (as an example) actually implements mechanically are a lower chance of success on...

Well yes, because my way makes more sense. The old way kinda sucks, quite frankly.

In my games, the Cleric is not actively channeling a God's power. The cleric is tapping into the Divine power source. A god acts as mentor to the cleric if they swear oaths to them, but has no power to turn off the connection. Gods and mortal religious entities certainly don't advertise that...

What did they do? More crucially, why did they do it? What story beat did the player want to evoke? I would hope we're not assuming reactionary players who do stuff "just because".

We're just not going to agree on this. We've had this discussion before, going back to the "geniuses with 5 Int" thread, and I don't think our perspectives have changed.

In my games, I frame the next scene based on the current setup and the results of the resolution engine. Sometimes that framing ends up being consequential, but that's the nature of building out an ongoing story. I do not judge or evaluate. I extrapolate.

"X Int = 10X IQ" is from a 40 year old Dragon article, and doesn't represent the realities of modern neotrad play. Character concept is the core for all PCs and NPCs, stats and classes and such are simply things we layer on to give them a resolution engine. The stats imply, but they do not model.

Yours, maybe.

And to clarify, when you say consequence, you mean that you expect the GM to measure your actions and enforce a consequence on your character?

So just to be clear, in your games, the presence or absence of class and levels is something that can be determined by PCs and NPCs in the fiction, and can be discussed in-character without opening a metagame channel?

Are you asserting things like levels and classes actually exist in the fiction outside of a LitRPG style of play?

Relatively few characters mix both melee attacks and spell attacks, so I’d be inclined to price it out like a wand with maybe a 10-15% price increase. Since 5e doesn’t have that level of granularity within its rarity tiers, it’s be inclined to rate it the same rarity as a wand of the war mage...

This. It might be a problem of improper modeling, but it isn’t a gameplay problem.