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One part practice, one part visualisation and knowing which skills you are looking for. You don't just want good players but ones that vibe with the game you want to run. And a big part trying rewarding certain things and seeing how they respond.

It's part finding the right players, which takes both luck and sifting. It's also part of developing the right players, which involves turning yourself into the type of GM that rewards and encourages the traits you want to see. Which is especially true when you have new players.

Or to switch mythos to one closer to the way modern D&D paladins work it's as legit to want to play Obi Wan Kenobi as Anakin Skywalker

And see my point. Ending with a shortsword attack sets you up for next round with Vex. This is almost always worth it if you don't have a near automatic other source of Advantage and you expect the foe to live the round. Just running the numbers fast your main shortsword attack does d6+Dex...

But it doesn't even do that outside special circumstances or multiclassing; if you have a Vex shortsword and a Nick dagger/scimitar then you don't have a third weapon mastery to allow your rapier to Vex. Unless you have a reliable method of getting Advantage your DPR probably goes down. And...

The question is why would they want to weapon juggle? Rogues get two masteries and it never increases by level. It has already been declared that one of these two masteries is Nick. Which means you have one mastery left - and for rogues the Vex mastery is the obvious standout. In addition the...

Why would they want to? Rogues are basically about Vex and Nick.

Ironically there's no need to come out smelling like gorgonzola if you want to do that as a martial character of reasonable level (and you can't do this before level 5 anyway). Level 9 fighters can use Push, Sap, or Slow on any attack so you take a Cleave or Topple weapon and Barbarians have...

If only weapon juggling was interesting rather than repetitive and time consuming.

On the other hand they absolutely love extra damage or triggered conditions despite it mathematically working out the same.

And the irony here is that Super Mario Bros is one of the easiest computer games to learn; it was designed at the dawn of the console age to teach you to play through example. And when it was created most of that visual language did not exist.

Why do you want to do it especially as magic items are limited? Would you do it without the buffs? And about half the weapon masteries apply on all attacks. On the other hand Sap, Topple, Slow, Nick, and Cleave are inherently limited to 1/round or 1/target/round

You can however model best practice in the DMG. And explain the purpose of actually having rules and their relationship with the game world. This is a good idea with two caveats: Not everyone starting out has a veteran DM to hand; the expectation as written into the books should be that this...

Not to exclude them. Just to empower the DM to apply the rolled up newspaper. But this is where the "rules as user interface" and "rules as physics engine" people are on different sides; weapon juggling is as much an obvious exploit as the bag of rats or the peasant railgun.

To me there were tactics in 3e - but it was more strategy. Bringing the right spells to the fight. 5.14 had less in the way of tactics than 3e due to archers switching to finesse shortswords and casters just using anti-save spells in melee rather than taking opportunity attacks or being nerfed...

On the other hand a trivial and blatant exploit is far from the worst sin; the GM is entirely recommended to apply the rolled up newspaper to that as they would a bag of rats. It's systems that encourage bad behaviour I object to.

Weapon juggling to me feels like an obvious use of a game exploit, like the peasant railgun or the bag of rats. And should really just be treated with either the rolled up newspaper or not playing at tier 3 or 4.

Absent? No. But in general to e.g. Bull Rush in 3.X you needed to either have a build where that was your One Trick or to give up your entire attack for the push. While the only push spell I recall was Wind Blast (and possibly Wind Wall) and that's basically all it does. Meanwhile 5.24 like 4e...

I have actually been known to change players' subclasses on them as a consequence. But I have two hard rules: Not without the consent of the player You don't nerf a character enough that the other PCs have to carry them. I also consider Oathbreaker extremely ham-handed compared to Vengeance...

My primary hope is always to learn. I'll now defend GP for XP as very legitimate because of a thread like this.