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I mean, you can keep repeating that as much as you want, but at a certain point you might have to accept that people just don't agree with you, and in fact a lot of people disagree with you. Like, you seemingly don't understand why these people are making the comparison here. What do you want...

Sure. :sneaky: I can't stress enough that we do understand your point, we just don't agree and seemingly most people don't agree with you. It's kind of like how you repeat Bethesda's assurances about Heller's hairline like Bethesda is a company worth taking their word at when it comes to...

Yeah, it's just a really bad example to bring to an argument about DLSS5 looksmaxxing characters. Edit: Like, this was one of the first jokes people were making about it.

No, you clearly don't know the full story behind that image. The afterward isn't a joke, it's something someone actually made because that's what they wanted to make Aloy look like. Your attempt at making a comparison ("Oh, it would be like saying Aloy was wearing makeup in the before because...

No, in fact it's the opposite? That the color is clearly modified and deeper in the latter picture (both in Aloy and Grace) that is has the appearance of makeup, and the proper comparison is you going "No, that's just increasing their natural color". If you want to try and dance around that...

Buddy, if you don't see the added color as makeup like the vast majority of people do, I can't make you, just like I can't make you see the nose job or the blush. You can call it more color, but it's an AI filter that is referencing people in makeup. Cool, so you can see how it slims down her...

I mean, let's have some more.

It's okay that you don't want to believe even when the evidence is there, like this clip where you can clearly see DLSS5 modifying proportions of people's heads, eyes, and other such things. It's clear in the transitions and any time you look at the face that it's very much modifying what's...

I mean, like, seriously, just put them close and side by side instead of the on-top stack and you can see the differences much more clearly.

You can disagree with how they frame it, but that doesn't make you right. And it also doesn't change that they are changing the dynamics of her nose in that shot you're showing. So, uh, I won't stop making this argument.

It's adding makeup because its database has people who would have makeup in this way and have a nose job in this way. It's taking what it can glean from places like Instagram and others and putting that effect on there. But that doesn't necessarily jive with the character of Grace, nor any of...

Not in the same way, which is why this is so different. This is well-beyond just upscaling things, and just looking at the pictures makes it rather clear. Previous versions of DLSS weren't adding makeup to characters and such. That's more than just an upscale, which is why the outrage is rightly...

Ok I didn't imply that you didn't. You're the one who brought up having to worry about mod conflicts, so you might want to look at yourself for that one. Well, the "average user" isn't an artist, they're they consumer of the art, so their "intent" is not really there? And using AI settings...

Yeah, but so is someone wanting to run a game without mod conflicts.

Uh, not the corporate managers, who seem to be promoting this over what seems like rather loud developer outcry? I mean, if you want to be on the side of upper management trying to grift a buck out of this, that's up to you. But you're doing so with a tool largely built on unethical ecological...

It probably wouldn't be enough to remove copyright, but my point in bringing up copyright was more to show that AI can't have intent, and that it takes away things like ownership from the person using it. The more you use AI, the further you remove yourself from the product that comes out. But...

Maybe for the former, not the latter, but that also doesn't really remove from the fact that it's taking away from what the artist originally made, and how many artists have expressed as such.

Because then we're talking about the modder's intent. AI has no intent, no vision, thus it strips out intent. I have no idea how to explain this any more simply.

Filters are different than generative AI, which makes up stuff. And DLSS5 is generative AI. They are no longer an artist at that point, the are a commissioner of art. They aren't making art anymore, hence why they aren't entitled to copyrighting such works. Yes, but those are people making...

Yes, but those are basically covered up by the generative AI, and in some cases outright modified. Again, this is a stripping of intent, since the AI is taking away/adding things without any sort of direction. It's making choices without reasoning, only algorithms. I mean, it's still...