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  1. FrogReaver

    AI/LLMs AI art bans are going to ruin small 3rd party creators

    I don’t know where to draw the lines but mental creation and physical creation are somewhat different things. Agreed. The same can be said for paintbrush design, though the impact on the final product is likely much much less. Which seems to be exactly what happens with human art creation as...
  2. FrogReaver

    AI/LLMs AI art bans are going to ruin small 3rd party creators

    Agreed though unlike theft of physical goods, theft of intellectual property is often much less clear cut on what constitutes theft vs acceptable use. 1. Depends on your application. 2. That uncertainty itself depends on yet to be settled legal precedents and possibly future laws.
  3. FrogReaver

    AI/LLMs AI art bans are going to ruin small 3rd party creators

    And beyond that there’s also the possibility the court expands fair use by judicial powers to cover what ai did with scraping copyrighted works.
  4. FrogReaver

    AI/LLMs AI art bans are going to ruin small 3rd party creators

    Sure, but we don’t see him crediting Microsoft or Dell when all he did was tell the computer to copy the numbers from his excel file to his personally created PowerPoint.
  5. FrogReaver

    AI/LLMs AI art bans are going to ruin small 3rd party creators

    Honestly I think the notion that the ai is creator of the image is probably the worst long term take for artists. The implications seem fairly damning if ai is the creator of the images produced with it. I’m glad I can have abstract thoughts without needing every detail explicitly concrete.
  6. FrogReaver

    AI/LLMs AI art bans are going to ruin small 3rd party creators

    Nice dodge. But really who created the image the ai outputs?
  7. FrogReaver

    AI/LLMs AI art bans are going to ruin small 3rd party creators

    So who did create the image that the ai spit out?
  8. FrogReaver

    AI/LLMs AI art bans are going to ruin small 3rd party creators

    So are we back to the part of the loop where it’s claimed you are not the creator because the one doing the actual image creation is the creator. But you are part of what’s creating that image, as previously discussed with fairly wide agreement, philosophically creation for that image gets...
  9. FrogReaver

    AI/LLMs AI art bans are going to ruin small 3rd party creators

    I looked and it was not. Thus why I pushed back. It came across as you making a completely irrelevant negative observation.
  10. FrogReaver

    AI/LLMs AI art bans are going to ruin small 3rd party creators

    Please quote from your previous post where that was ever the context, because I looked and it’s not there.
  11. FrogReaver

    AI/LLMs AI art bans are going to ruin small 3rd party creators

    I already answered all the chef criticisms. So I’ll as you to loop back through my answers, since you must have missed them. There’s at least 2 ways to use AI. One is chef give me X dish. I agree that’s not you creating anything. The other is chef I have a vision for a dish I want to make...
  12. FrogReaver

    AI/LLMs AI art bans are going to ruin small 3rd party creators

    Which seems completely irrelevant to the specific topic that was actually being discussed.
  13. FrogReaver

    AI/LLMs AI art bans are going to ruin small 3rd party creators

    Creation does not equal ownership… How that keeps being conflated by so many is baffling.
  14. FrogReaver

    AI/LLMs AI art bans are going to ruin small 3rd party creators

    Both? Asking the ai to change the picture is one of many ways I can change a picture.
  15. FrogReaver

    AI/LLMs AI art bans are going to ruin small 3rd party creators

    That’s not what being the creator of a thing means. Society and the law could say you get no rights to your artistic works and you would still have been the creator.
  16. FrogReaver

    AI/LLMs AI art bans are going to ruin small 3rd party creators

    Ironically that was precisely my original point and position before we got off on this tangent.
  17. FrogReaver

    AI/LLMs AI art bans are going to ruin small 3rd party creators

    Why wouldn’t some variation of transformative fair use potentially apply?
  18. FrogReaver

    AI/LLMs AI art bans are going to ruin small 3rd party creators

    Not clear why AI being trained matters in regards to using AI to make exactly what one envisions through a process of gradual refinement until the image perfectly matches the vision. AI can be used in more ways than - give me a single image I’m going to use whatever it spits out. Is your claim...
  19. FrogReaver

    AI/LLMs DLSS 5 will be the worst thing to EVER happen to video games

    Seems like an odd definition of artistic intent that excludes an artist intentionally using DLSS5 because they like the results better.
  20. FrogReaver

    AI/LLMs AI art bans are going to ruin small 3rd party creators

    And we have many carve outs allowing for using intellectual property you don't actually own or have permission to use.
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