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    Druids suck? vs Shape Change and Polymorph

    What book is the War Shaper in?
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    Druids suck? vs Shape Change and Polymorph

    Thank you all for your thoughts. I do see that the Druid and Wizard may not be entirely comparable, but do you think it would be worth changing to MOMF from Druid knowing that you lose spell levels including losing the Shapechange spell which would allow you to do all of the MOMF changes plus...
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    Druids suck? vs Shape Change and Polymorph

    honestly, I did read them all ,we just seemed to have gotten stuck on comparing Shapechange at 17th level to wild shape at 5th level and that is not a good comparison. I was merely trying to state that Shapechange should be compared to the Druids elemental wild shape at higher levels and keep...
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    Druids suck? vs Shape Change and Polymorph

    We are kind of off the beaten path here.... All I am saying is that one of the major powers of a druid is to get wild shape which many "feat" slots are devoted to at various levels and it all seems kind of pointless when once you reach 17th level you get to do all of that and more with a single...
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    Druids suck? vs Shape Change and Polymorph

    Yes, I did miss that piece of errata apparently and yes it can't be dispelled but what about an Anti Magic Field? Even so, you could use the shapechange ability to far better affect than your wild shape elemental ability since you could change elemental types every round and are not limited to...
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    Druids suck? vs Shape Change and Polymorph

    Shape change allows you to go as high as you want in hd up to 2x your cuurent level.. I believe the text in the PHB actually mentions 50HD as an example and it does give you ALL of the abilities of the creature SU and Spell like included. As for comparing Shape Change to a fifth level ability...
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    Druids suck? vs Shape Change and Polymorph

    Ok, yes I wasn't arguing that druids are slightly better fighters than wizards, I was comparing their wild shape ability to the spells that allow you to do the same. If you are able to get as a Druid the Shape Change spell at 17th lvel what is the point of getting the ability to change into a...
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    Druids suck? vs Shape Change and Polymorph

    So, I have been playing a druid for several months and have now reached level 12. I have been sticking to the animal forms as that is all I can do, but recently I prestige classed to a MOMF and can now do giant and humanoid. Then I started reading the WOTC forum related to shape changing and I...
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