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Your right about Dagos, I'm sorry, I forgot. As for Zariel, yes that is where I got the name. But only the name. Not even the gender is the same. Everthing else I created, and i did not want to give the impression I had just redone or changed this. But your right I guess, I should have...

I didn't mean to say they did, I just put that in as a CR that would be Greater god strength. CR 75, or 80, or 85 would be just as well.

What shade is trying to say is that if everyone had Uder's philosophy, then there wouldn't be any Demon Princes to argue about. there wouldn't be any flavor at all. there would just be stats, becouse "the DMs can make up their own flavor". well, I for one, say (censored) to that.

this would be a great Idea, although I would make the CRs more spread out. Something like: Demogorgon - Powerful demon Lord (CR 25) Demogorgon - Prince of Demons (CR 45) Demgorgon - eternal corrupter, ravager of worlds, the Demiurge. (CR 90) that way, those who want their level 20 party...

the reason I think so many people dislike Epic is becouse it takes so much work. However, if done properly it can be even more rewarding than non-epic. If the DM is willing to put in the time and effort to make a huge,epic setting w/high level NPCs and grand story arcs, and the layers are...

Look, Psion, you & I obviosly don't see eye to eye on this and aren't going to anytime soon. therfore I'm just going to stop arguing w/you becouse I'm not going to change your mind and your not going to change mine. We both have different on what WotC "should" have done.

i'm sorry, I kind of put Zariel in as a joke, not thinking you would actually be intersted. I though this becouse. A.) From your first post, I thought you wanted BoVD level Arch-Devils, which this guy is not. B.) Although his Title is Arch-Devil, he doesn't rule a layer becouse I was using...

Most of the people I game with would use those stats. most of the gamers i know do uberEpic games quite often, so I doubt that almost no one would use them. just becouse you don't know any epic gamers doesn't mean there aren't any. As for deadvancing, just look up what type of HD it has to...

I'm not worried about stats for my campaign, I have DF for that. It just offends my that WotC would make the officail versions this weak. Why couldn't they have made Demogorgon CR 90 with rules for deadvancing him? and belive me, It's not that much harder to deadvance.

Here you are :D . good, idea no? b]Zariel, Arch-Devil of Strategy[/b] Size/Type: Huge Outsider (Lawful, Extraplanar, Evil) Hit Dice: 60d8 + 10d10 (Fighter) + 5d8 (Marshal) + 5d6 (Assassin) +1360 (2010 hp) Initiative: +18 Speed: 50 ft. (10 squares), fly 100 ft. (good) Armor Class: 64 (-2...

See, this would at least be slightly sensible, and WotC wouldn't want that. next up, they'll be remaking the tarrsque as CR5 so people who "don't like high level play" can use it. I still mantain they should be DF level of power. I've had fun campiagns at that power level before. most of the...

First off, I'd pay DF a copyright fee, than I'd print The Gates Of Hell. Also Horrors of the Abyss & A Light From On High when they come out. Then I'd update Planscape To 3.5. besides that, I'd most likely keep doing what WotC is doing.

First, I want to say hello to everyone as this is my first post on ENWorld. Now, on topic: First off, I don't care what you do In your own campiagn. If you want to use a CR 1/8 Demogorgon that gets beat up by goblins, thats fine w/me. I wouldn't want to play in a campign like that and you...