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Bryon, While I certainly DO want a system that models "realistic" behavior I would argue with your assertion that HarnMaster is highly complex. In fact, I find it far less complex than the majority of systems I have played, and in particular far less complex than D&D. HarnMaster has one...

I think it's unfortunate that this thread has degenerated into this kind of banter. In my personal experience the Harn community has been in large part a mature, thoughtful and fascinating bunch. This opportunity to download a free .pdf of the HarnMaster system I would hope will bring new fans...

Bachelor of Education: Secondary Specialization in History Minor in Philosophy Tim Falkenberg AKA Sir Laban of Tyart Champion of the Joust Royal Chelebin Tournament