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I still feel like this is a choice. Nothing about rolling initiative forces you to be locked into combat. I think combat is fun for most players in D&D and Pathfinder and so once it's been initiated they rarely choose to end or leave it prematurely.

I ran a Shadowdark one shot with my group and I was surprised at how much I liked always on initiative outside of combat. It helped me to better keep my less assertive players involved in what was happening at the moment since it eliminated the ability to just kind of fade into the background...

So it's heroic fantasy and yet the very title of the article claims it's a grimdark campaign. Not to mention another poster earlier who in reply to one of my posts claimed Daggerheart wasn't heroic fantasy. But if you're saying it's heroic fantasy with different coats of paint... well cool I...

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I didn't claim anyone was mad at D&D for anything... just finding it odd that D&D (at least on the surface) and those who like to homebrew it are often on these very boards criticized for trying to use D&D for multiple genres and styles of fantasy when Daggerheart is doing exactly the same thing...

Yes, so it's modifications to the base Daggerheart rules for a specific campaign setting... exactly the same thing done with 5e amidst cries of... there are better games for that genre/tone/style/etc. out of the box.

Soooo lack of play experience is the answer. Cool.

Well to be fair each edition of D&D is almost a brand new game... and my whole point is that we have seen what is possible mostly through 3pp but it's discounted or disparaged...while Daggerheart as you state has little in the way of actual play experience but is apparently just as perfect for...

Or I can use a grimdark setting for 5e (there's a few of them) that add and modify mechanics to support the genre. I feel like both Daggerheart and 5e out of the box are default heroic fantasy. Edit: This is the sentiment I'm trying to understand...It's shoehorning or forcing for D&D to...

So are we still speaking in the contex5 of narrating results? If so why would my players being docile or not affect it... does Daggerheart's success range magically make players docile? As DM in D&D I'm creating or choosing the setting I'm running in so why would the setting work against me? I...

But isnt this just description...I dont see how they grant me more control over tone. As DM in D&D I have total control over the tone... here I'm actually more at the mercy of the dice.

But these are also the rules used in high fantasy, techno-fantasy, and every other genre Daggerheart is used for... its not specific to a grimdark game, its generic to any Daggerheart game. Just to be clear I'm not arguing Daggerheart as a more narrative generic/but not really generic fantasy...

So you can... choose to survive when you'd normally die by paying hope... that's not really grimdark imo Taking rests gives the GM fear... but how hard are combats, how often will an average group have to rest, etc. How is this more or less suitable for grimdark campaigns without further...

I guess anything can be grimdark... but, at least from the videos, materials, etc. I've seen (my actual copy of the game will be here sometime today) default Daggerheart doesn't really seem tuned for grimdark. It's not that rabbit people couldn't be grimdark... its more how much does base...

This sounds like it's not so much capable of running a Soulsborne campaign as being high heroic fantasy with a Soulsborne coat of paint. Hmmm... this feels like the same thing D&D gets slack for doing with other genres. I wonder why this would be the first framework they showcase as opposed to...

Maybe someone familiar with the Daggerheart rules can answer this question but what mechanically makes Daggerheart a game that is well suited for grimdaek fantasy? To be honest I've gotten a totally different picture (tonally) of the game.

Ok... my experience with Daggerheart specifically is non-existent, though I have ordered it... I thought the question was specifically about having a problem with narrative mechanics... which would be codified, right? Or did I misunderstand? I think perhaps we should give some examples of the...

I think alot of players and DM's divy up narrative control in D&D implicitely, without rules and not necessarily as the game suggests. I think it's a natural outcome of playing almost any ttrpg. 1. I think there are ttrpg's that codify and enforce how narrative control is divided between the...

Couldn't you just fluff it as an ability from your past and limit your usage to one creature if using 2024... What downsides are you seeing to the change?

Another improvement 2024 core implemented...Sometimes it really is the little things that make the game better as a whole.