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  1. Leviatham

    We are being laughed at. A ranty article purely for debating purposes.

    As my mother says, there isn't a deepest deaf than that who doesn't want to hear. I give up!
  2. Leviatham

    We are being laughed at. A ranty article purely for debating purposes.

    Then I'll stop discussing it there. I am not interested at the moment in discussing the portrayal of geeks generally. It wasn't my aim. Not sure what you'd consider evidence, but here are some links to articles and forum posts in which comparisons are made (some to be taken with a pinch of...
  3. Leviatham

    We are being laughed at. A ranty article purely for debating purposes.

    Actually asking sitcoms to have well written and well portrayed character is simply asking them to up their quality. There are comedies out there that do it. Why not BBT or The Guild or A Town Called Eureka?
  4. Leviatham

    We are being laughed at. A ranty article purely for debating purposes.

    Buffy, Bones, Dr Who and A Town Called Eureka are not sitcoms. Far from it. I see exaggerated versions of geeks in the IT Crowd. I don't find them insulting or demeaning. It's not the exaggeration, is the way it's handled. Dangerous ground to even consider a woman who says "You like...
  5. Leviatham

    We are being laughed at. A ranty article purely for debating purposes.

    I don't reprimand adults. In fact I rarely even reprimand children. If I had to do anything near a reprimand I'd do it in private, so rest assured, it really wasn't meant to come across like that. I haven't said there aren't. I maintain the majority are. Also, Dr Who is not a sitcom and is...
  6. Leviatham

    We are being laughed at. A ranty article purely for debating purposes.

    I haven't said they should be excepted. I have said they (we) should be respected. I don't want to be laughed *at*. I want to be laughed *with*. I have said the characterisation of geeks in popular media is unhealthy and I have said it can and should be done in a better way. I don't care how...
  7. Leviatham

    We are being laughed at. A ranty article purely for debating purposes.

    To me stereotypes exist because they're the simplest and easiest representation of something. Of anything, really. That doesn't make them right. Actually, like any generalisation, makes them very, very flawed. That doesn't stop people believing that the stereotypes apply. Sent from my iPad...
  8. Leviatham

    We are being laughed at. A ranty article purely for debating purposes.

    That is because there are boundaries that should not be stepped over. I can laugh at myself, that doesn't mean you can (and I don't mean you personally, I mean the general "you"). My friends can laugh at me, and even they do so with care as there are things that are not to be laughed at. That...
  9. Leviatham

    We are being laughed at. A ranty article purely for debating purposes.

    You don't have to know me (as any other here hasn't) but if you're going to pass judgement, you're going to be corrected or enlightened by me. I haven't taken issue with people who've made assumptions, it is to be expected in any forum, don't take issue with me clarifying and making my position...
  10. Leviatham

    We are being laughed at. A ranty article purely for debating purposes.

    To tell me that I should learn to laugh at myself is not an argument either, and yet it was said. If people are going to judge me and my sense of humour, or approach to humour, knowing me is perfectly relevant and valid to give people an understanding that I am not what they assume. And thus...
  11. Leviatham

    We are being laughed at. A ranty article purely for debating purposes.

    The message is about format. My problem with geeks in current sitcoms is not the comedy or that they are geeks. If you knew me you'd know that I laugh at myself with scary frequency. The problem I have is the way they are portrayed. I don't feel they are treated with enough respect. I'll draw...
  12. Leviatham

    We are being laughed at. A ranty article purely for debating purposes.

    I have worked in quite a few industries and in quite a few corporate environments of different sizes and yes, I see stupid people running companies all right... That doesn't mean all stupid people are like those portrayed in Blackadder, or that they are stupid for the same reasons. There are...
  13. Leviatham

    We are being laughed at. A ranty article purely for debating purposes.

    OK, granted, they played with stereotyped caricatures. I guess the difference for me is that I've never met any character like those portrayed in Blackadder and I don't relate to any of them. Also I don't see people mocking anyone else because they wear a Blackadder shirt. Are they at the hight...
  14. Leviatham

    We are being laughed at. A ranty article purely for debating purposes.

    For me, singling out the reasons is the start of making them disappear. I don't believe we can just duck and hope they'll pass. It's just me.. I'm an activist! :) Apologies if that came the wrong way. What I meant is that not everyone reacts or feels in the same way towards the same thing...
  15. Leviatham

    We are being laughed at. A ranty article purely for debating purposes.

    I realise the presence of characters help raise awareness and I have acknowledged that there are benefits to it. Not sure how many of your examples are parallel though. I must admit I don't know quite a few of those. I have never catched Soap and barely ever watched Will and Grace, so I have no...
  16. Leviatham

    We are being laughed at. A ranty article purely for debating purposes.

    Super Pony mentioned how he was kicked and bullied and how his childhood wasn't particularly happy because he was a geek. I was illustrating that that sort of stuff happens for all sorts of reasons and that we all have it bad. It wasn't an attempt to discuss neither religion nor sexuality, but...
  17. Leviatham

    We are being laughed at. A ranty article purely for debating purposes.

    That hasn't de-stigmatized them. It's just made them more prevalent and, to some degree, more acceptable. It might be a show about people and relationships (what show isn't?), but the way they go about it is patronizing. I don't believe Blackadder played with stereotypes. It played with...
  18. Leviatham

    We are being laughed at. A ranty article purely for debating purposes.

    So you had it bad for being a geek? Try being a geek AND gay in a deeply catholic town in a deeply conservative town within a very conservative family. We have all had our fair share of s*it in life, so I know how you feel. That doesn't mean we should put up with more because the new one is...
  19. Leviatham

    We are being laughed at. A ranty article purely for debating purposes.

    The point wasn't that she was funny or unfunny. The point is the impression she has of people who paint minis because of what she has seen in a movie. She had this idea in her head because that is all she has seen and that affected her behavior. She was fine and wasn't insulting, but other...
  20. Leviatham

    We are being laughed at. A ranty article purely for debating purposes.

    I just don't know when I have said that either... If anything what I said in my original post is that of sitcoms are to mock geeks, they should do it in a more balanced way, and not just gamers.
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