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So when you throw them do you end up losing the AC bonus as well as not having a weapon to do AoO with?

I agree it would seem strange to choose a * world game and ignore it's strengths and goals. What I am interested in is using the style in other games. For example using it in 5e. What is 5e bringing to the table that makes you want to use 5e with this style rather than going to a game which has...

The problem that I have is that it is being portrayed as only 2 choices. Story now = player involvement, pre-authored = player just along for the ride. In an AP it is made generic due to the need to put any PC's into those, and to have the widest appeal. While I do not use AP's except to pull...

Sorry, yes I can see it read that way. I agree that there in a lot of in the moment authoring in all styles. The pre-authoring informing the in the moment authoring is the way I like to play too.

Examples of the 4. 1) Pre-authored with no player input. Playing in a world adventure that has no care for the players (forgotten Realms was not made with your character in mind) most pre-made adventures will be of this kind as they don't know which characters are in the party. Characters find...

Quote Originally Posted by pemerton View Post It can be. But the more that fiction is authored in advance, and then used - as secret backstory - to determine consequences of players' action declarations for their PCs, then the more the play dynamic moves away from that which I prefer. Read...

OK, but other people are involved in the conversation too, so if you are interested in only 1 part of the conversation then just focus on that. For you, you want the fiction authored at the time play. I think it results in a less enjoyable game. But that is just preferences in how the game is...

I think there are really good points here. Unless the DM is just saying no every time that the player does anything slightly unexpected then everyone is using a balance of the two styles. some people sit heavily on one side of the spectrum or the other and some sit in the middle using tools from...

And yet as people have pointed out the pinball explanation misses the point. I think you are confusing background, character, elements with "plot". The dark elf city and it's hatred of the surface dwelling races is background and geography. The queen of the dark elves is character. Plot is how...

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The confusion I am referring too is that a non improv games must be tightly scripted and linear (Emerikol's games is an example of preauthored, but not having a linear plot). The PC's decide where that go and what they do in the sand box. They might fight for or against any of the occupants in...

Possible you mean good DM's mismatched with a play style that doesn't suit their skills and approach? I can and have GMed with full improv and it never goes as well or is as satisfying for those at the table. I'm sure others have had exactly the opposite experience. Matching DM's players and...

Yes, there seems to be a lot of confusion that if it is not improv then it must be scripted. I think this partly comes from the uses of these terms in theatre.

And yet even with out a "skill set" we were still able to talk to people and interact with them, discover information and rumors and make informed decisions? The concept of being limited to the options on a character sheet was a phase that some RPG's went through and has hopefully been left well...

This is something that interests me. If a fail condition is unrelated to the skill being used....you discover an uncomfortable truth for example (your father was not a man of the cloth but a con artist). Once it is used as a fail forward once, but doesn't come about (they passed the test so it...

I used if and it wasn't specifically your game. But in many games where you just "jump" to the next "scene" in the "narrative", direction is largely unimportant. Games such as Leverage you just jump to the targets building, where it is, beyond "somewhere in the city", isn't really important. It...

In a "living breathing world" exploring and experiencing the world is not time wasting (it only seem like it because from your point of view you want to get on with "story"). The "story" might be as simple as take a message to Medrack the wizard who lives on a different continent. The message...

Here are some examples of a pre-authored world - forgotten realms, spinward marches, ravenloft. There is no magic story that the players must follow, but if you go to x city then there are truths about that place.. this is the level of preauthorship I am talking about, not railroading as you...

I think the site is useful and good, but for me the biggest disappointment is that all content is labled as from Dungeon Masters Guild. That makes it difficult to see which other products that person has produced. (so you know who gives quality and what should be avoided). Is there an option I...

I think this is really important, that you are clear about what experiences you are in the game for. This is why doing a session 0 can really helps set up expectations for the game rather than just going in blind (unless that is one of the expectations). If you are wanting a character driven...