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Aw jeez, the necromancers got at the thread. This is really old and I never got around to refining or editing it. To be honest, I'm not really sure what you guys are talking about. The context is kinda lost. Both of my sample builds have ways of keeping enemy attention on themselves, while...

I am not sure I agree with your assessment of George. It's not always about DPR, George is pretty unkillable, and that can count for a lot. I've had some experience playing George and it can be pretty satisfying to tie up enemies while they are stuck uselessly trying to poke at you. That refers...

Armor of Agathys only lasts for one hour, and I am fairly certain that "You gain 5 temporary hit points for the duration" means that they disappear when the spell ends.

I get that, and I thank you for the help/discussion. I don't think a completely comparison-driven explanation is plausible without committing to a single rigid way of building the character, which I'm not prepared to do. I will endeavor to improve the OP to hopefully better explain the...

I full admit to the weakness to being blindsided, or running out of Bladesong uses. The build can still function reasonably well at a range if it has to, or it can go the awkward route of carrying a backup shield. Plenty of optimized builds have similar weakness. Darkness Warlocks against...

Well that is a lot to cover, but I really appreciate the feedback. This is exactly the kind of discussion I was hoping for. I'll try to cover my reasoning from the start of your post, but feel free to point out anything I miss. First, the shield. It's true that the build has less AC without...

Swashbuckler can already sneak attack with OA most of the time. Blur is easier to use effectively than Darkness. You need the ability to see in Darkness as well, which means at least two more levels of multi-classing (Shadow Sorcerer technically has the ability at first level, but can only apply...

Yeah, I understand the Darkness combo, but it takes a lot to make it work. 2 levels of Sorcerer or 3 levels of Warlock, both requiring a Charisma investment, and at least 2 levels of Rogue for cunning action so you can re-hide every turn. Realistically, that works out to three levels of Rogue...

Yeah, and even then this build does have issues with getting surprised. Alert is a good feat to mitigate that sort of problem. As someone already pointed out, if you want to main caster you're better off going with Abjuration rather than Bladesinger, the ward from that feature is pretty busted...

Darkness combo and Greater Invisibility are great, but both require significant investment. In practice, you get the defensive portion of either with just Blur. Haste is a clearly superior alternative to Shield of Faith if level 3 slots are available, it might be worth investing more into Wizard...

Thanks for the input. I agree that a straight Bladesinger is not great, but this build primarily focuses on abusing Bladesong on classes other than Wizard.

Ok, now that the sample builds are filled in, this thread is finished unless I get some good input. Thoughts? Suggestions? I'd love to get some feedback on this, since I've never posted something like this before.

Hey, so usually I am a lurker around these forums, and I've read a lot of great stuff and gotten some fun ideas for builds from this community and others like it. Today I felt like giving back with a simple build that I have been playing around with that I've found to be a lot of fun. I've never...