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Yeah I am not sure what happened, I thought I received a notification but I can't see anything now. Oh well. I think I tried my best, but its also a difficult subject, I don't blame them for their reaction, it just means that I can't continue the conversation. All I asked for was some proof...

I can't report it because I can't see it on my account. At this point, I feel like I am at a disadvantage as I can't really see what's going on, and I am not going to stoop to the same behavior (not you Frogreaver, the guy who quoted me while I can't respond).

I am not sure I can fully respond due to forum rules, but i've been quoted while being placed on ignore, which is akin to cyberstalking, which also means I can't see it or respond in any way. Is that silent enough for you? Evangelizing can IMO involve praising said thing (gen-ai), and creating...

Dude, its the opposite of being rhetorical, as my statement is in direct response to the fact that I am the one being silenced by pro-ai evangelists (who, by the way are in the large majority). So, you are unconvinced by the evidence provided, or unconvinced that using exploitive child labor is...

Comments like this accomplish nothing. Do you accept the facts as they stand, or do you want to present your own facts to argue your own case? OR, do you want to put your head in the sand?

FFS, I am honestly aghast at how you have failed to read what I am saying to you. I never said the word evil, you guys did. FFS Stop putting words in my mouth. Keep on deflecting from the fact that gen-ai relies on exploitive child labor to your own detriment. Keep screaming just how ethical...

I am not talking about individual artists who choose to use it at their own risk, I am specifically talking about the title of the thread: Companies using it in place of hiring an artist or a writer. FFS, thanks again for taking my quote out of context. I said "potentially illegal," as the laws...

So apparently blocking someone and then quoting them is allowed? This is honestly beyond immature. Having the last word via blocking, then putting words in my mouth is as dishonest as you can get. Mods can address this if they want, but this is an obvious attempt to silence any disagreements...

And that's why I tried explaining, that we can't really discuss the true implications of gen-ai without understanding how the business works. The business functions by relying on exploitive labor (including child labor), and all of the big companies are involved. Everyone from Microsoft, to...

So, because other companies do it, its ok then? Mkay... I really don't know what to say, I am kind of disappointed to say the least. Justifying exploitive child labor isn't a good look...

Nice way to deflect, are you going to address the elephant in the room or just pretend you didn't read my last post? Since you are now aware that gen-ai is trained via exploitative child labor, i don't think that you are interested in talking about what I am bringing to the discussion...

Ok, it seems like you are focusing on the smaller details, rather than the bigger picture, which is fine... If you accept that there are some details that have yet to be discussed in the conversation, such as how genarative-ai relies on child sweatshop labor. The Invisible Human Prisoners...

Well nothing is stopping them... Except, this thread is about genarative-ai taking jobs, not about billions of people using gen-ai for personal uses. We are specifically talking about professional writers & artists that are being replaced by current & future gen-ai tools. To reiterate for the...

Except creative people have spent their entire lives honing their craft, and they share their talent with the world by providing a service (ala freelancers). Taking that lifetime of experience, bottling it into gen-ai tools, and refusing to get consent, or to provide credit or compensation is...

I honestly think you are missing the point here, content that freelance writers make for d&d is owned by wotc, not by the writers. What exactly is this monopoly you are talking about??? A majority of artists and writers don't own the rights to their own work due to the nature of freelance work...

I can't really disagree with any of this, I just think that a bit of transparency would have done them some good here. Changing terms and conditions is one thing, and I don't know how far down the ai clause was hidden because I refuse to use Adobe CC atm. However, I think that if you are...

Yeah I see it, the problem is that no one knows when they made the changes to their terms of service, because they never made a public notice (to the best of my knowledge anyway). A lot of artists are saying they didn't get any notice at all of this change, and thus they were never asked for...

Fair enough. This conversation is taking up a lot of my time, so I will leave you with this thought. Some people don't want to live in a world under corporate control. Some of us will go the exact opposite direction than the rest of the herd, because we don't want to follow, we just want to go...

The fact that they have elected for opt-out only is more of an indication that pro-ai lobbyists have succeeded in doing their job working for big tech. Artists don't have the money or the influence of big tech, to state that the laws favor corporations should come as no surprise when they have...

Ok that was funny! :P