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Oh really? So you're finally going to show that data then? Yeah, that's what I thought. After claiming you were done with me you're still here, it's hilarious how desperate you are to have the last word :ROFLMAO:

If you had claimed it once and rectified when challenged, I wouldn't have said you lied. But you didn't, you kept repeating the same BS after being unable to back up your claim. So, yes, you have lied, continously, in this thread. I thought you were done with me though, what happened? You...

Mmmm, what? When did I claim that 4e outsold 3e? I couldn't care less whether 3e sold more than 4e did or not lol. I know 5e has sold tons of copies and I have no intention of playing it. 4e could have sold a couple dozen copies and it would still be my favourite and the one I play to this day...

Yes, I did. You saying otherwise will not change the facts, You claimed this and have been unable to prove it when challenged yet you kept repeating it, so yes, you have lied, multiple times. We're done? Well you can stop responding to me whenever you want ;) But any time you repeat your lies...

Both sides have anecdotal evidence though, so? Just for the record, you're aware that the guy who started demanding hard data while not providing any himself was mamba right?

You admitting your first lie or not doesn't matter, I already proved that you lied by directly quoting you, buddy. The guy who has been unable to provide evidence for his assertion calls me obnoxious, now that is funny :ROFLMAO:

So what you're saying is that nobody outside the company has actual numbers and thus any claims about one edition selling a gazillion copies and another being the worstest ever are bogus? Well, sounds an awful lot like what I'm saying, no?

I didn't say you changed your position, just that you admitted to your second lie, which you did, though inadvertently I'm sure ;) What you're quoting is about as reliable as this. So, basically you have no data that shows that 4e was the worst selling, as I've been saying from the beginning...

I'm glad that you're admitting that it is the source you tried to use to backup your assertion and not the actual assertion itself. Good job, we're making some progress. So, now where's that data about 4e being the worst selling?

Moving the goalposts now, huh? :ROFLMAO: Here, let me refresh your memory. You claimed that it was the worst selling edition, period. That was you assertion. Not that some dude claimed it was, which is what you're pretending now. So yes, you lied then, as you're lying now in an attempt to...

Really, what positive claim did I make? Can you point it out for me? Oh, I can provide links too. https://alphastream.org/index.php/2023/07/08/pathfinder-never-outsold-4e-dd-icymi/ So? When are you going to prove your assertion? So where is your data? Insider information from people who...

There is nothing to refute because you haven't proved anything in the first place, do you even know how the burden of proof works? :ROFLMAO: Of course data was presented lol (more than you provided at any rate), you are just ignoring it because it doesn't suit your argument. You have provided...

Of course it refutes what you said. You have provided 0 evidence to your "4e was the worst selling d&d edition ever" assertion so it is, as I said, a lie.

A user already provided a source which you ignored. You have provided jack. Try again.

I see the lie propagated by 4e haters that it didn't sell is still alive and well to this day, charming.

I play 4e so I use the world axis cosmology of course, it is tidely organized and everything that exists in it has a clearly defined purpose (though I don't like that they included Sigil in it, it feels like it was tacked on just because it existed in previous editions so they had to include it...

In the end I took a page out of The plane below, which made Xixecal the top minion of Solkara. So I took a look at the abominations in the 3.5 epic level handbook and picked the ones who fitted most with the Demon Lords I decided to use going forward: Haagenti the demon lord of Artifice and...

Unique demons are more powerful, kinda like mini demon lords themselves. They also have unique appearances and abilities. A standard demon with a name is still just a standard demon.

That's not exactly what I'm looking for, I'm not looking for "normal" demons with names, but unique kind of demons of great power. Like this guy here. Basically the top known minions of demon lords.