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I have no.problem with it, I just think its not optimal

So I have exodus and I like it. I also fanatical play Traveller (its the only game I buy each new supplement for when it comes out). I just play 5e D&D more (Scheduling). I love 5e. I love Traveller. But I cannot fathom why you would pound 5e into traveller when it already does what it does so...

YES. Thank you I see your point on Tate but that dude is directly harmful to his audience.

Fair enough. You've laid out your stance and I've laid out mine.

If it makes you feel better to "own the bigot" you do you. I have nothing to hide. I figured it out already. It painted the designers in a bad light which was not necessary for a book where people can read and draw their own conclusions. For some reason my stance bothers you enough to come...

I started with one premise. Its the same one. Youre allowed not to like it and insist the apology was necessary. You haven't made a convincing case why it is.

NO! You really are just trying to make me sound like a bigot. You jump to alot of conclusions. Use the information available to you. Its an Obvious bias of society of the TIME the game was Created. Its that simple.

Anything involving the Chain mail setting from the 2000s will likely cause some angst.

Yes it takes an expert to write a blurb of an obvious bias in history that everybody brings up ad nauseum. My problem with Calimshan is not the past its the arbitrary flavor change they made in the present. Though I left the lab 10 years ago I still work with PhDs every day and my steady job...

Interesting. That's the same argument you used against criticism of the Calimshan section of Heroes of Faerun.

Demons, Devils, Magic Circles, Black Magic Spells, and Possession are all part of the game. When you learn them enough you can summon the Devil. If thats not satanic nothing is.

So we're in agreement. The history could have been presented just as well by not including the apology because they printed everything for the reader to make their own determination. Since Jason Tondro is not a qualified historian his analysis is not particularly valuable anyway. Better to...

No I do not. They didn't have to bring it up at all and the history STILL Would have been complete. We weren't doing a sociological study. I Don't remember Applecline referencing social environments in his excellent 4 volume RPG history and it seemed pretty complete to me. Nobody would call...

You've said that a few times. The history could be empirically just as well covered with out it so I find the preface apology unnecessary. We would know just as much of the history of the development if it did not diverge off topic. I know you disagree and I'm fine with that. And I left a 4...

There's also claims that D&D is a Colonialist fantasy because you get points for killing monsters and taking treasure so people will take lots of things out of context to make a case for it.

I have to strongly disagree. WOTC fixed its representation problem. Just look at the 2024 PHB the evidence is right there. WOTC 100% fixed getting non white creators on board and the art mostly features other demographics than traditionally have played the game. Looks like the problems have...

??? No body. I said the term was ironic. Not sure where hurt comes into it. Lower Decks which makes fun of Star Trek and The Last Jedi which deconstructs Star Wars are both claimed as Love Letters to an IP. Maybe lower decks is i couldn't tolerate past the second episode, but the Last Jedi...

No need to project your own extrapolations on to me. The history sections of the books didn't disparage the creators at all. The apology was only in the preface. You know where there is plenty of criticism. The numerous history books that focus on the development of TSR and at this point I...

I am pretty much in the 5e category as well. I usually buy hard copy and DDB. I do though like AD&D much more.

Who actually thinks they are speaking for everyone? This isnt an academic forum. Also the apology part was not in the book itself. It was in the preface. I cant remember where else in the book it was addressed except for the author apologizing for the old gaming population. I said previously...