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First off, If I came accros s contentioius, I didn't mean to. I appreciate the interest. What I probably should have put in the header is something like "Witch-Doctor". Basically, a primitive Holyman who plays soothsayer and does magic. As I said, I simply don't think the 4E Shamen...

I'm sorry, I didn't realize I needed to be specific. The Original Orc appeared in Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring. The only critter they were associated with were Wolves, which they rode. There were no mention of Bears or Big Cats associated with them, and they were...

It's American Indian Flavour. Not that that's a bad thing, I just think it's out of place in most Medievel style settings in the same way the monk was completely out of place in the 1E PHB.

Basically something somewhere between a sorc and a cleric. I'm fearing more and more I'll have to come up with something on my own... Orcs, at least the classic ones, used to be regarded as stupid but powerful, which is a dangerous combination. IMHO, an Orc Shamen should be doubly, or triply...

Okay, friend has the PHB2 and finally let me hold it long enough to find out that they used Hiawatha as the model for the Shamen... Joy... now I'm going to have to have an Orc named Dances With Wolves who's dating Pocahantas if I use that template for an Orc Shamen... Sorry, not happening...