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Many Thanks Very helpful info, everyone. I appreciate it. Looks like a "young red" is the way I'll go this time, given the relative difficulty of the lair and the likely level of preparedness of the party, and the fact that this will be their first ever dragon encounter.

Thanks to those explaining the rationales behind dragon CRs - makes sense in a way I guess, but a bit unsatisfying.

Would you mind elaborating?

agreed This is actually why I posted my question. I create appropriate challenges for the parts using CRs as a guide all the time, but when I did that for the dragon encounter, and loked at the resulting dragon, it just looked significantly harder than other encounters (not that that's a bad...

Thanks to both of you :) If one or two die because its a good fight, then that's fine. I'm not going in with the "If i don't kill at least one person tonight, I'm not doing my job!" mindset, though, and I definitely don't want to wipe out the entire party.

(/Lurk) Hi all. The party will likely be facing its first dragon (a male red) in the next adventure. I'd like some opinions on what age would be a realistic challenge for them. The party: Rogue3/Wiz4 Cleric7 (With a Cleric4 follower) Druid7 Fighter7 Barbarian6 (more of a finesse barbarian...