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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lackhand" data-source="post: 4029165" data-attributes="member: 36160">Apology accepted, but you misinterpret me <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I'm not saying that I wouldn't do the exact same thing you guys are doing -- moreover, I do, when I'm not running prepublished adventures -- I just approve of the rules of the game being accurate to how I use them.If the rules say "Make monsters this way, make characters this way", then it should be reasonable -- nay, correct and helpful! -- to make characters this way, PC or NPC.If the rules say "Make monsters this way, and make NPCs that way too. It's quick an easy. If you're going to be using the monster/NPC a lot, consider adding more detail by stealing from the rules to make a PC. Here are the rules to make a PC" (which is what it sounds like 4th edition is doing) then they're right.Anything less and you can't use the rules as they're published. That's why I was saying earlier that we're agreeing and just arguing over technicalities now. I think your way is best, I think you can do it using the 3.5 mechanics...... but not the rules as written. Far easier to (as they're doing!) fix the rules as written, even if it's not as earthshaking as the announcement sounds.</blockquote>