2004 ENnies nominations are in!

WingOver · Aug 2, 2004

Did WOTC not submit anything this year?

Psion · Aug 2, 2004

WingOver said:
Did WOTC not submit anything this year?

Ask Wizards of the Coast. I don't think it would be right for me to say who entered what.

MulhorandSage · Aug 2, 2004

Well, this has made my day.

Congratulations to all the nominees and honorable mentions.

Wulf Ratbane · Aug 2, 2004

MulhorandSage said:
Well, this has made my day.

I am in a pretty fine mood myself!

Thanks to the judges for their hard work.

Wulf

dsfriii · Aug 2, 2004

Psion said:
No.

Precisely.

Judging is all about being critical. Some people don't take criticism too well, and that's bad blood we don't need.

I agree with Psion, but can we maybe see something like each judges score card fo each product. I assume there is something like that especially when they are picking the final nominations. This way the general public can see how a judge voted and have an idea whether they would want that judge on the pannel net year. Plus it can so a trend in a way a judge votes. Say one always votes for Company X in the low 10% but all the other judges at least average in the 50% then we may learn that judge has a basis for Company X or just the reverse.

Information always makes a better voter.

Brad Hindman · Aug 2, 2004

dsfriii said:
I agree with Psion, but can we maybe see something like each judges score card fo each product. I assume there is something like that especially when they are picking the final nominations. This way the general public can see how a judge voted and have an idea whether they would want that judge on the pannel net year. Plus it can so a trend in a way a judge votes. Say one always votes for Company X in the low 10% but all the other judges at least average in the 50% then we may learn that judge has a basis for Company X or just the reverse.

While I think dsfriii's goals are laudable, I don't think any information that identifies how a judge voted should be released. It is a thankless job enough as it is - Thanks by the way- without turning the Judges into targets for criticism and pressure. Besides, I don't think there are enough judges to make voting card information useful in determining bias. The sample is too small to be statistically significant.

Crothian · Aug 2, 2004

How the judges voted probably will not become public. But I can say that no one judge favored a certain company. We don't just vote we discuss the material and its a lot harder to be biased and not be called on it in these discussions. Also, a few of us were won over by things we normally don't like. I'll use myself as an example here. I was not looking forward to reading BESM d20 and the other anime RPG books. I am not an anime fan. But in reading the books and the qualty was just so there that there was now way I could read through it and not be impressed.

Then there is Kult. I have zero interest in this game. Even after reading I will never play it, its a drepessing setting and not the type of game I want to run. But again it was well put together. I can't deny that. As a judge one has to recognize what your bias is and work to get past it.

Psion · Aug 2, 2004

While I wouldn't mind sharing a few thoughts on what I was pulling for that didn't make it, I wouldn't be comfortable sharing what other judges do or say. I figure that's their own call, and they didn't sign up for that.

In fact, I've already shared a few of my votes on various forums.

Perhaps I could throw together an ennies retrospective of some sort if someone was interested.

Besides, I don't think there are enough judges to make voting card information useful in determining bias. The sample is too small to be statistically significant.

Not only thta, but lacking context, it might not tell you too much of anything. For example, lets say you are looking to pick a judge who likes the companies you like. Okay, fair enough. You see that he did not vote for your favored company this time, and so decided not to vote for him.

But let's say the real reason was that the judge saw that none of the other judges were going to vote for that product, so decided not to waste his vote and pick his battles, so to speak.

Not that I didn't "waste some votes" myself, I'm just saying...