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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Teflon Billy" data-source="post: 2626740" data-attributes="member: 264">Well, I could use your terminology and refer to it as "Wihholding priveleges", but I think--at least from a parenting background--that the therms could be used almost interchangable, and I don't reeally intend to argue semnatics.  I have no idea if that's true, but I think you've proven on more than one occasion that you have a better grasp of voting models than I do.Again with the putting words in my mouth<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />The reason I think we should have judges is that they are the ones who ensure that unfamiliar products get a fair look...there are far too many products on the market for most people to have familiarized themselves with them all.The reason I don't apply this same thought to the Judging Panel is that it is possible for the  voting public to be acquainted with their candidates...if only from the nominations thread and general interaction, a level of familiarity that is much harder to accomplish with most every  product released last year.Now I know you misunderstand me. I don't care one whit about the "needs" of the Panel other than that it be capable of doing its job. Make no mistake, it's said often enough, but it bears repeating: this job is hard. Every year we try to ease the time crunch on the judges, but it almost always comes down to a massive no-sleep. no-anything else marathon session in the last few weeks. I think most anyone on the panel might be capable of it, but I know the incumbents are.Then why, if it's as easy as that, is there anyone but the Myself, CL, Crothian, Joe and Diaglo with any votes at all? I think you overstate the surety of it. Why do you feel the winners are obvious? I voted early on and never would've expected Diaglo to have such a strong showing (no offense David).  I agree the results needed to be hidden ("Secret Ballot") , but "Anyone familiar with this place could pick the winners from the list of candidates" is a statement I disagree with.Unfortunately, it's the heart of my argument, so if you could spare more than a sentence dismissing it, I'd be really interested. Maybe you can boil down somehting quick on why you think that "in the absence of misconduct or incompetence" incumbent candidates should be excluded. I don't have access to the data either.What, and work with a handicap <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Ok, I misused an adjective. Can we agree that you were implying a "greater level of voter participation growth" than the steady growth we are currently seeing? Otherwise I'm not sure what your point is.</blockquote>

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