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<blockquote data-quote="iHamer" data-source="post: 8167754" data-attributes="member: 7029163"><p>Overall sorcerers are very powerful but any class at lvl 20 can beat them with a semi competent build. The issue with your build however comes down to a few factors.</p><p></p><p>1. Limited understanding on spell nuances, spellcasting, and metamagic limitations. (I make these mistakes all the time which is why I always go and read the rules if I am not sure on a particular ruling or ask the game devs).</p><p></p><p>2. Most likely using the rulings given to you and allowed by your DM (nothing wrong with this in the slightest until you ask people to come up with an in rules build that can beat your character that is played outside of RAW). Even Matt Mercer makes mistakes on the game rules more often than we all would like to admit but he does it for the sake of his players and the joy found in the game. That said if you want to ask a honest question about who can beat who, you need to abide by the RAW game rules that everyone else is using and not a build that your DM let you get away with.</p><p></p><p>3. Idk just throw a lvl 20 moon druid at him and have the druid use his bonus action on every turn to turn into a mammoth with 129 HP and using his action to eat bananas until you run out of spell slots or do a rain dance(base druids can cast spells while wild shaped at level 18 and can wild shape an unlimited number of times per day at 20th level, moon druid allowing this as a bonus action on each turn).</p><p></p><p>4. Most OP builds are only OP in a vacuum and rely on the gimmick of being lvl 20 to work (most level 20 games force the DM to use lax rulings just so the combat doesn't get more bogged down than it already is because taking 10 minutes per turn is kind of not fun for the rest of the people at the table). </p><p></p><p>Lastly I hope this didn't come off as your build is dumb and it smells of elderberries, just some observations about the question you were asking as the start of this thread of which to answer the question who can beat this sorcerer the simple answer is just about any class that gets decent rolls and is played by a good and smart player (excluding Mystics, cuz they aint real no more).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="iHamer, post: 8167754, member: 7029163"] Overall sorcerers are very powerful but any class at lvl 20 can beat them with a semi competent build. The issue with your build however comes down to a few factors. 1. Limited understanding on spell nuances, spellcasting, and metamagic limitations. (I make these mistakes all the time which is why I always go and read the rules if I am not sure on a particular ruling or ask the game devs). 2. Most likely using the rulings given to you and allowed by your DM (nothing wrong with this in the slightest until you ask people to come up with an in rules build that can beat your character that is played outside of RAW). Even Matt Mercer makes mistakes on the game rules more often than we all would like to admit but he does it for the sake of his players and the joy found in the game. That said if you want to ask a honest question about who can beat who, you need to abide by the RAW game rules that everyone else is using and not a build that your DM let you get away with. 3. Idk just throw a lvl 20 moon druid at him and have the druid use his bonus action on every turn to turn into a mammoth with 129 HP and using his action to eat bananas until you run out of spell slots or do a rain dance(base druids can cast spells while wild shaped at level 18 and can wild shape an unlimited number of times per day at 20th level, moon druid allowing this as a bonus action on each turn). 4. Most OP builds are only OP in a vacuum and rely on the gimmick of being lvl 20 to work (most level 20 games force the DM to use lax rulings just so the combat doesn't get more bogged down than it already is because taking 10 minutes per turn is kind of not fun for the rest of the people at the table). Lastly I hope this didn't come off as your build is dumb and it smells of elderberries, just some observations about the question you were asking as the start of this thread of which to answer the question who can beat this sorcerer the simple answer is just about any class that gets decent rolls and is played by a good and smart player (excluding Mystics, cuz they aint real no more). [/QUOTE]
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