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<blockquote data-quote="Hohige" data-source="post: 8169835" data-attributes="member: 7019463"><p>I apologize, a lot here has already been answered during Thread, I will summarize everything in the first post.</p><p></p><p>1) <em>Wait, who Wished it? The Sorcerer? So, the Sorcerer is daily down their 8th and 9th level spells. Cool, Wizard waits until the Celestials despawn, waits for you to recast them, then hits, because you don't have Mind Blank up.</em></p><p></p><p>You just don't know what happens inside the Temple of Gods. Scrying doesn't work there.</p><p>And Summon Celestial lasts long time.</p><p></p><p>2) "<em>Um, no, you regain Sorcery Points on a long rest, not a short one. You have to sleep. And the Sim can't just burn slots for points -- they'll run out real fast and you can't really afford to be using your wish to replace Sims."</em></p><p></p><p>I beg to disagree. level 20 Sorcerer feature. It's called Sorcerous Restoration feature that allows regain Sorcery Points each short rest.</p><p>Including his Simulacrum.</p><p></p><p>3) "<em>Mighty Fortress doesn't block scrying."</em></p><p>Temple of God blocks.</p><p></p><p>4) "<em>No, they don't, because that's not how Disguise works. The Magen don't have wings, for one, which you can't Disguise kit into not noticing. Secondly, the celestials are large, so disguising them doesn't work. So, you can maybe make the DMM sim, you sim, and you look the same, but the DMM doesn't have wings either. Since you're flying, this is critical -- I can ID you and your sim from the rest of the minions reliably."</em></p><p></p><p>60 wingless medium creatures, 2 wingled medium creatures, 2 winged large creature and a Pegasus Rider casting spells continuallly.</p><p>Who is your target? I know.</p><p></p><p>5) <em>"And, that's even easier, because you're mind blanked and the sim isn't, so if I can scry one, it's not you -- you're the other one that look exactly alike."</em></p><p></p><p>I Strongly disagree, Twin Mind Blank blocks your strategy.</p><p>The Sorcerer and his Simulacrum are invisible to you, Mind Blank hidden from Divination spells.</p><p></p><p>6) <em>"Ah, you're never within 40' of the ground -- good to know. And all of that nonesense about Mighty Fortress is pointless, because you're never on the ground! Also, I guess you sleep and eat and poop while flying above 40' at all times? Yeah, no long rests for you!"</em></p><p></p><p>Well, I strongly disagree.</p><p>Subtle Dimention Door ^^. I'm invisible to you, because I'm hidden against your Scrying.</p><p></p><p>7) <em>"You don't have an 8th level slot to PWS."</em></p><p></p><p>The Simulacrum has. The Wizard dies forever.</p><p></p><p>8) "<em>Oh, it worked, because I was able to accurately identify you, and then time the strike when it would work best. Alternatively, I could have just popped in, dispelled you at 9th level, and then cast Power Word Stun on you -- you have fewer that 150 hp now. That incapacitates you, which disables your wings, and you're pretty high up, right?"</em></p><p></p><p>Mind blanks blocks PWS.</p><p></p><p>Your Wizard with his ridiculous range is not a threat. It's dead long before it has enough reach.</p><p>Also, Counterspell ^^</p><p></p><p>9) <em>"One more thing -- the Summoned and Bound Celestials? They're not loyal. They have to follow your commands, but they'll try to twist them. This is because they're good, and you're pretty evil, what with the Finger of Death army, so they're not friends. Your minions aren't perfectly loyal! Haha, and I haven't even brought my actually loyal minions in yet!"</em></p><p></p><p>I strongly disagree.</p><p></p><p>Summon Celestial.</p><p>"The creature is an ally to you and your companions"</p><p>And they have no alignment.</p><p>"<em>Large celestial, unaligned'</em></p><p></p><p></p><p>summing up:</p><p>Basically, the sorcerer laughs at this strategy, since inside the temple of gods, scrying does not work and the Sorcerer is invisible against scrying spell (Mind Blank hidden against divination spells)</p><p>And flying creatures are not affected by Meteor Swarm</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hohige, post: 8169835, member: 7019463"] I apologize, a lot here has already been answered during Thread, I will summarize everything in the first post. 1) [I]Wait, who Wished it? The Sorcerer? So, the Sorcerer is daily down their 8th and 9th level spells. Cool, Wizard waits until the Celestials despawn, waits for you to recast them, then hits, because you don't have Mind Blank up.[/I] You just don't know what happens inside the Temple of Gods. Scrying doesn't work there. And Summon Celestial lasts long time. 2) "[I]Um, no, you regain Sorcery Points on a long rest, not a short one. You have to sleep. And the Sim can't just burn slots for points -- they'll run out real fast and you can't really afford to be using your wish to replace Sims."[/I] I beg to disagree. level 20 Sorcerer feature. It's called Sorcerous Restoration feature that allows regain Sorcery Points each short rest. Including his Simulacrum. 3) "[I]Mighty Fortress doesn't block scrying."[/I] Temple of God blocks. 4) "[I]No, they don't, because that's not how Disguise works. The Magen don't have wings, for one, which you can't Disguise kit into not noticing. Secondly, the celestials are large, so disguising them doesn't work. So, you can maybe make the DMM sim, you sim, and you look the same, but the DMM doesn't have wings either. Since you're flying, this is critical -- I can ID you and your sim from the rest of the minions reliably."[/I] 60 wingless medium creatures, 2 wingled medium creatures, 2 winged large creature and a Pegasus Rider casting spells continuallly. Who is your target? I know. 5) [I]"And, that's even easier, because you're mind blanked and the sim isn't, so if I can scry one, it's not you -- you're the other one that look exactly alike."[/I] I Strongly disagree, Twin Mind Blank blocks your strategy. The Sorcerer and his Simulacrum are invisible to you, Mind Blank hidden from Divination spells. 6) [I]"Ah, you're never within 40' of the ground -- good to know. And all of that nonesense about Mighty Fortress is pointless, because you're never on the ground! Also, I guess you sleep and eat and poop while flying above 40' at all times? Yeah, no long rests for you!"[/I] Well, I strongly disagree. Subtle Dimention Door ^^. I'm invisible to you, because I'm hidden against your Scrying. 7) [I]"You don't have an 8th level slot to PWS."[/I] The Simulacrum has. The Wizard dies forever. 8) "[I]Oh, it worked, because I was able to accurately identify you, and then time the strike when it would work best. Alternatively, I could have just popped in, dispelled you at 9th level, and then cast Power Word Stun on you -- you have fewer that 150 hp now. That incapacitates you, which disables your wings, and you're pretty high up, right?"[/I] Mind blanks blocks PWS. Your Wizard with his ridiculous range is not a threat. It's dead long before it has enough reach. Also, Counterspell ^^ 9) [I]"One more thing -- the Summoned and Bound Celestials? They're not loyal. They have to follow your commands, but they'll try to twist them. This is because they're good, and you're pretty evil, what with the Finger of Death army, so they're not friends. Your minions aren't perfectly loyal! Haha, and I haven't even brought my actually loyal minions in yet!"[/I] I strongly disagree. Summon Celestial. "The creature is an ally to you and your companions" And they have no alignment. "[I]Large celestial, unaligned'[/I] summing up: Basically, the sorcerer laughs at this strategy, since inside the temple of gods, scrying does not work and the Sorcerer is invisible against scrying spell (Mind Blank hidden against divination spells) And flying creatures are not affected by Meteor Swarm [/QUOTE]
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