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<blockquote data-quote="Krachek" data-source="post: 8176720" data-attributes="member: 6811643">I can see some scenarios for the Campaign&nbsp; « The hidden enemy » that setup the mighty sorcerer&nbsp; vs the World.Scenario AThe DM state that there is a hidden leader of the world, and he assume by RAW that the players cannot use spell, abiltity or succeed any skill check to discover its identity, location, to counter any of its action. So at the beginning of each session, the DM simply list the exploit of the hidden leader.Scenario B.The DM bait its high level PC party in the hidden leader lair, and repeatedly beat them up. It is done each time with long debate on rules application. but since the DM is the referee and the opponent at the same time, the hidden leader always win.Scenario CA crappy pc party decide to take down the leader. They manage a plan to know its identity. The Dm is pretty embarrassed, and because the players only care about this plan, he finally let the party begin a long quest that eventually let the pc know the identity of the leader.Then the party have a plan to shutdown the leader defense, turn its minions and simulacrum against him, bait him outside its lair and defeat him. Again the DM is pretty annoyed about this, but since the main purpose of the game is to let PC be heroes and succeed their plans, he feel compel to let them play in this way. They begin a long quest, and even if they are low level and crappy pc, the clockwork Xp budget rules make them succeed their quests. The plan is finally setup and they will defeat the hidden leader. That is a good story.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Krachek, post: 8176720, member: 6811643"] I can see some scenarios for the Campaign « The hidden enemy » that setup the mighty sorcerer vs the World. Scenario A The DM state that there is a hidden leader of the world, and he assume by RAW that the players cannot use spell, abiltity or succeed any skill check to discover its identity, location, to counter any of its action. So at the beginning of each session, the DM simply list the exploit of the hidden leader. Scenario B. The DM bait its high level PC party in the hidden leader lair, and repeatedly beat them up. It is done each time with long debate on rules application. but since the DM is the referee and the opponent at the same time, the hidden leader always win. Scenario C A crappy pc party decide to take down the leader. They manage a plan to know its identity. The Dm is pretty embarrassed, and because the players only care about this plan, he finally let the party begin a long quest that eventually let the pc know the identity of the leader. Then the party have a plan to shutdown the leader defense, turn its minions and simulacrum against him, bait him outside its lair and defeat him. Again the DM is pretty annoyed about this, but since the main purpose of the game is to let PC be heroes and succeed their plans, he feel compel to let them play in this way. They begin a long quest, and even if they are low level and crappy pc, the clockwork Xp budget rules make them succeed their quests. The plan is finally setup and they will defeat the hidden leader. That is a good story. [/QUOTE]

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